# EVE needs a place new players can try PVP easily **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 6, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899 "2021-03-06T10:14:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/101 "2021-03-06T14:26:23Z")
This thread is driven by the feeling that someone requires a significant amount of help. It’s _ranting_. It’s “think of the children”. It’s irrational. It’s created out of fear from those who refuse to just learn how to PvP. OP is just the unwilling/unaware messenger. It’s driven by OP’s small sample size of new players. OP manages to find people who believe that what they want would be a good idea, while not understanding that it wouldn’t be. The OP accepted that as his own and thus created a thread asking for an idea that’s coming from people who haven’t even really played the game yet. OP believes that his small sample size applies to everyone equally. OP does not understand and refuses to acknowledge why his request is counter-productive. The topic is not being approached rationally, but from the perspective of someone who sees helpless victims who need their hand held so they can get along in the world, while not understanding that this is exactly the opposite of what’s actually effective and proper. Evolution would get rid of these new players, because they’re incapable of defending themselves. Not because they didn’t learn, but because they don’t understand how easy it already is to just learn it. Young animals play-fight with their relatives for a reason. OP ignores that people who are raised in specific ways will be having a hard time accepting anything else but their personal norm they wish to live in. OP refuses to acknowledge and or is blatantly unaware of the fact that _training_ - aka controlled fights - are and always will be inferior to just “fitting 50 rifters and heading to lowsec”. OP does not recognize that fair fights and training will not make people “prepared”, because there is nothing to be “prepared” for. The idea that one “needs to be ready” has been a myth since 2003. People who claim that they need to be prepared, or ready, are usually those who rarely ever actually feel prepared and ready. Training them with fair fights will not change that they don’t feel ready for “real world” combat, aka unfair fights. Should be locked, because it’s pointless ranting based on an irrational, uninformed, ignorant opinion. o/ ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/102 "2021-03-06T14:28:26Z")
Solecist\_Project is too low IQ to see what I’m saying without it being spelled out and proceeds to misinterpret everything I have said, then proceeds to make a pseudo-intellectual post for attention. ---
**Author:** ![Xanthellus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xanthellus/32/253691_2.png) [@Xanthellus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xanthellus)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/103 "2021-03-06T14:31:08Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > People don’t like to learn You should have stopped there, then you’d be correct. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/104 "2021-03-06T14:33:06Z")
> [@Xanthellus](#): > > You should have stopped there, then you’d be correct. Yes, so then can we make the game easier to learn to retain more new players? The answer is not fk new players if they don’t want to learn lol, which is what you lot are suggesting essentially. It’s a completely idiotic take. ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/105 "2021-03-06T14:35:26Z")
Now you have lost your respect too . Everyone was polite to you here and no one called you stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/106 "2021-03-06T14:36:31Z")
I’ve called nobody stupid, I have called opinions stupid. That’s different. I also don’t call things stupid in an insulting way, I’m just being honest, they are ill thought out opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/107 "2021-03-06T14:38:23Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > Solecist\_Project is too low IQ > [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > I’ve called nobody stupid uh what? ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/108 "2021-03-06T14:39:09Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > Solecist\_Project is too low IQ You have memory problems or you just don’t know the meaning of the words you use. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/109 "2021-03-06T14:39:11Z")
Apparently I don’t count. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/110 "2021-03-06T14:39:23Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > uh what? He is a forum troll, I know who he is, I’ve known who he is for a long time. He is here for no other reason than to get a reaction from me. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/111 "2021-03-06T14:40:21Z")
Who else thinks that my post actually hit the nail on the head? ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/112 "2021-03-06T14:40:33Z")
/gives you a hug ! ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/113 "2021-03-06T14:40:50Z")
awwww thank you 😊 ♥ ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/114 "2021-03-06T14:40:51Z")
Very much so. I’m so sorry you were called a troll and low IQ… you are neither… ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/115 "2021-03-06T14:41:31Z")
Well I’m a bit of a troll sometimes, but when I am it’s actually noticable. 🙂 Thank you! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/116 "2021-03-06T15:10:48Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > It doesn’t feel fair from the perspective of a new player. Because it’s not fair, fairness and safety are non existent in New Eden, you either bring more firepower, more friends or play more dirty tricks than your opponent. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/117 "2021-03-06T15:11:45Z")
This already exists. It’s called FW. It’s not too far from trade hubs and if you have a problem with faction/T2 ships, join a fleet. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/118 "2021-03-06T15:12:17Z")
> [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](#): > > Because it’s not fair, fairness and safety are non existent in New Eden, you either bring more firepower, more friends or play more dirty tricks than your opponent. Yes but, no need to impose that on a brand new player. I don’t see why a new player needs full exposure to the game immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/119 "2021-03-06T15:13:21Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > This already exists. It’s called FW. It’s not too far from trade hubs and if you have a problem with faction/T2 ships, join a fleet. Why can’t both exist? ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/120 "2021-03-06T15:36:46Z")
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