# EVE needs a place new players can try PVP easily **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 6, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899 "2021-03-06T10:14:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/141 "2021-03-06T16:16:58Z")
and CCP has stated when outside resources are better than what they can do, they prefer that over them trying to overstuff the game with things that 3rd party devs can do ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/142 "2021-03-06T16:18:08Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > Surviving for more than 3 seconds in a fight. So your problem is that there’s a learning curve, and newbies will suffer losses as they climb it? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/143 "2021-03-06T16:23:50Z")
I meant what activity would people tell them to do. Everyone here has forgotten that there is no **entry level** pvp anymore. There is no where you can go out and try things out on your own. It’s always about waiting for others or pitting new players against people like this: > **[Cruor | kusayuzayushko zawooshko | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/84835628/)** > > kusayuzayushko zawooshko (Deep Core Mining Inc.) lost their Cruor in Sujarento (The Citadel). Final Blow by Robert Shneider (The Scope) flying in a Enyo. Total Value: 189,680,271.70 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Inaken\_Huunuras](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Inaken\_Huunuras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inaken_Huunuras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/144 "2021-03-06T16:25:21Z")
Hello to everyone ! I am a new player that started Eve recently and wanted to shoot other players . I just want to say that it was a bit confusing at start , i got destroyed by the police and gate cannons a few times , but eventually i managed to get in lowsec by rookie channel . There is a system just 3-4 jumps i think from Wallmart . It wasn’t so hard , you buy ship , fit it an go there , many players in that system . If no one is in the sites just ask in local chat, someone will come and fight you . I just wanted to say it wasn’t hard to find other combatants. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/145 "2021-03-06T16:29:57Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > So your problem is that there’s a learning curve, and newbies will suffer losses as they climb it? Nothing new players can learn against this: > **[Daredevil | RI YURI | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/88400060/)** > > RI YURI (Guardians of Parallel World) lost their Daredevil in Oicx (Placid) Total Value: 284,126,777.90 ISK Unless you mean they learn not to take fights. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/146 "2021-03-06T16:31:51Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > So your problem is that there’s a learning curve, and newbies will suffer losses as they climb it? It’s got nothing to do with losses Mr Strawman, but nice try trying to turn this into some carebear thing when it isn’t. It’s the psychology of why bother trying when I’m fighting someone with a more powerful ship, more skills, and more experience. Only dumb people think that’s going to encourage people into PVP. Also, learning curves can be too steep. Fact. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/147 "2021-03-06T16:34:07Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > I meant what activity would people tell them to do. > > Everyone here has forgotten that there is no **entry level** pvp anymore. There is no where you can go out and try things out on your own. It’s always about waiting for others or pitting new players against people like this: I see. Yes, I would not know where to send a new player to learn PVP other than trying to hook them up with someone who will sit and train them up. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/148 "2021-03-06T16:35:06Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > bother trying when I’m fighting someone with a more powerful ship, more skills, and more experience. Because they can still win a fight. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/149 "2021-03-06T16:36:31Z")
There’s things newbies can do against Daredevils. Use a destroyer. Destroyers are cheap and low SP requirement for a lot of firepower. > **[Daredevil | Ikicku Alnight | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/27380498/)** > > Ikicku Alnight (I WILL NOT COMPLY.) lost their Daredevil in Anka (The Bleak Lands). Final Blow by Xuixien (Rifterlings) flying in a Cormorant. Total Value: 92,869,142.42 ISK Newbies can also team up/bring friends. “Solo PvP” is a false goalpost. > [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > It’s got nothing to do with losses Mr Strawman Well that’s what you said, Ms. Shiftinggoalposts: “survive longer than 3 seconds”. > [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > It’s the psychology of why bother trying when I’m fighting someone with a more powerful ship, more skills, and more experience. So your problem _ **is** _ loss. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/150 "2021-03-06T16:39:02Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Because they can still win a fight. No, they can’t. Look at it from the reverse perspective, if you are a good PVPer with a faction ship, are you ever losing to a new player who turns up in a T1 ship, of course you aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/151 "2021-03-06T16:39:56Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > So your problem _ **is** _ loss. Cringe take. ---
**Author:** ![Inaken\_Huunuras](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Inaken\_Huunuras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inaken_Huunuras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/152 "2021-03-06T16:41:15Z")
I have won fight against older player , sorry i do not know how to link kill report from the game here , but i am not lying . It felt very good and rewarding after losing a few ships and it was pure adrenaline and so much fun than destroying the red npc. I know they have more experience than me , yes powerful ships too , i have learned but after working hard i won a fight. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/153 "2021-03-06T16:41:48Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > > [@Xuixien](#): > > > > So your problem _ **is** _ loss. > > Cringe take. I mean your argument literally boils down to: “Newbies need a safe space to learn PvP in HiSec, because why bother with FW: they’re just going to lose because SP/ship type/experience.” Literally. > [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > if you are a good PVPer with a faction ship, are you ever losing to a new player who turns up in a T1 ship, of course you aren’t. When I was a newbie I killed tons of vets in fancy ships… ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/154 "2021-03-06T16:42:51Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > I mean your argument literally boils down to: > > “Newbies need a safe space to learn PvP in HiSec, because why bother with FW: they’re just going to lose because SP/ship type/experience.” > > Literally. Yep. when are you going to tell me whats wrong with that. All you are doing is moaning. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/155 "2021-03-06T16:44:00Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > Yep. when are you going to tell me whats wrong with that. I already did. It’s redundant. We already have FW. Which not only is a place for them to earn ISK, but also a place where they can join established corps and learn the ropes in a team. They don’t need HiSec training wheels just because there’s a learning curve. > [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > All you are doing is moaning. Ironic. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/156 "2021-03-06T16:44:36Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > I already did. It’s redundant. We already have FW. Which not only is a place for them to earn ISK, but also a place where they can join established corps and learn the ropes in a team. They don’t need HiSec training wheels just because there’s a learning curve. Explained already why that’s a stupid opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Inaken\_Huunuras](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Inaken\_Huunuras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inaken_Huunuras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/157 "2021-03-06T16:45:29Z")
Caitlynn , are you reading what i said ? you mention this is for new players , i am a new player . are you ignoring me ? ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/158 "2021-03-06T16:46:20Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > > [@Xuixien](#): > > > > I already did. It’s redundant. We already have FW. Which not only is a place for them to earn ISK, but also a place where they can join established corps and learn the ropes in a team. They don’t need HiSec training wheels just because there’s a learning curve. > > Explained already why that’s a stupid opinion. At this point you’re reasoning in a closed loop. You’re not going to get anywhere like that. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/159 "2021-03-06T16:48:06Z")
Doesn’t want to be embarrassed that he’s wrong in what he says, so yes he will ignore you, or think you are a vet posing as a newb. ---
**Author:** ![Inaken\_Huunuras](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Inaken\_Huunuras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inaken_Huunuras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/160 "2021-03-06T16:49:21Z")
i am just new and don’t know much , but i learned from my experiences that pvp is there and it’s not hard to make it happen. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899.md?page=9)