# EVE needs a place new players can try PVP easily **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 6, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899 "2021-03-06T10:14:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/161 "2021-03-06T16:50:09Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > There’s things newbies can do against Daredevils. Use a destroyer. Destroyers are cheap and low SP requirement for a lot of firepower. _ **Day one** _. _ **Entry level** _. And in small sites your are pitting them against T2 dessies. > [@Xuixien](#): > > Newbies can also team up/bring friends. “Solo PvP” is a false goalpost. So you’re telling them to **wait**. * * * Now imagine you couldn’t run missions unless you trained larger ships, or waited for friends. You couldn’t mine. Couldn’t explore. Couldn’t run abyss sites. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/162 "2021-03-06T16:50:22Z")
> [@Inaken\_Huunuras](#): > > Caitlynn , are you reading what i said ? you mention this is for new players , i am a new player . are you ignoring me ? I am reading. Why do you want me in particular to respond? ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/163 "2021-03-06T16:50:28Z")
> [@Inaken\_Huunuras](#): > > i am just new and don’t know much , but i learned from my experiences that pvp is there and it’s not hard to make it happen. It’s really not. I got my first kills canflipping miners in HiSec (a very old mechanic that has since been nerfed a lot). I got bored with that and I just asked a FW corp to take me and my friends on a NullSec roam and teach us a few things. And I enjoyed it and joined that FW corp and learned how to PvP by doing PvP in the real world. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/164 "2021-03-06T16:51:30Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > At this point you’re reasoning in a closed loop. You’re not going to get anywhere like that. I’m not trying to get anywhere with you. You’re the bittervet brigade and you are not interested in discussing. You just want the game to stagnate. ---
**Author:** ![Inaken\_Huunuras](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Inaken\_Huunuras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inaken_Huunuras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/165 "2021-03-06T16:52:12Z")
you ask for a place for new players to have pvp , i just want to tell you that i have found one and it’s very easy to get fights there . it is also not impossible to win against older players ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/166 "2021-03-06T16:54:15Z")
I am sorry if you are new, but you sound like an alt to me. Also, I know new players exist that learn PVP through FW, but not many. ---
**Author:** ![Inaken\_Huunuras](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Inaken\_Huunuras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inaken_Huunuras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/167 "2021-03-06T16:55:12Z")
an alt ? i’m sorry but i do not know what you want to say to me ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/168 "2021-03-06T16:55:58Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > _ **Day one** _. > > _ **Entry level** _. So the goalpost shifts from “newbie” to “ **day one** ” and the vague and undefined phrase “entry level”. Mmkay. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > So you’re telling them to **wait**. I’m not telling them to do anything. I’m explaining their options. > [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > I’m not trying to get anywhere with you. You’re the bittervet brigade and you are not interested in discussing. You just want the game to stagnate. Not really. I’m a _better vet_. I want the game to thrive and [have started a blog towards that end](https://xuixiendares.blogspot.com/), where I will be posting how-to’s and spitballing ideas for the game. I want to see the game thrive so I can continue playing it after retirement. At this point, you’re just baselessly insulting me in order to feel justified dismissing my comments because they disagree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/169 "2021-03-06T16:57:04Z")
> [@Inaken\_Huunuras](#): > > an alt ? i’m sorry but i do not know what you want to say to me I talk to new players and old players, you sound more like an old player than a new player…and this forum is full of old players that like to post on alts because they think it will help them win favour for their bad perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/170 "2021-03-06T16:57:58Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > I’m not telling them to do anything. I’m explaining their options. Ask some new players how many options they know. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/171 "2021-03-06T16:58:08Z")
I called it!! I told you he’d accuse you of being an alt… ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/172 "2021-03-06T16:58:26Z")
Probably your alt that’s why. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/173 "2021-03-06T16:59:56Z")
like i’ve got the time to sit and log myself out and back in as another person, or have two instances of myself up on a phone or PC really?? pathetic… ---
**Author:** ![Inaken\_Huunuras](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Inaken\_Huunuras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inaken_Huunuras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/174 "2021-03-06T17:00:12Z")
i can assure you that i am a new player , if you do not believe me that is your problem , i came here to express my thoughts as a new player and share the experiences that i had in the game that are relevant to what you demand for us new players. i thought that you are interested into what us new players have to say , but it is looking that you don’t care . ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/175 "2021-03-06T17:00:34Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > like i’ve got the time to sit and log myself out and back in as another person, or have two instances of myself up on a phone or PC really?? > > pathetic… Yeah it is, but I still believe it. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/176 "2021-03-06T17:00:59Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > So the goalpost shifts from “newbie” to “ **day one** ” and the vague and undefined phrase “entry level”. Mmkay. My goal posts are not OP’s goal posts. But ask yourself what someone is supposed to do if they want to pvp from **day one**? Why is it good for pvp to have a higher entry level than other activities? > [@Xuixien](#): > > I’m not telling them to do anything. I’m explaining their options. You gave them two options. Come back with friends or come back after training bigger ships. Why is that a good set of options? Surely that is a lack of options. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/177 "2021-03-06T17:01:03Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > > [@Xuixien](#): > > > > I’m not telling them to do anything. I’m explaining their options. > > Ask some new players how many options they know. It’s called learning. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/178 "2021-03-06T17:02:19Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > Ask some new players how many options they know. And how will they know these options with your new mechanic? You still have to learn and there are already many ways to learn. Your idea seems redundant. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/179 "2021-03-06T17:03:36Z")
> [@Inaken\_Huunuras](#): > > i can assure you that i am a new player , if you do not believe me that is your problem , i came here to express my thoughts as a new player and share the experiences that i had in the game that are relevant to what you demand for us new players. i thought that you are interested into what us new players have to say , but it is looking that you don’t care I am interested in the thoughts of new players. It’s good that you found it relatively easy, but other players don’t find it relatively easy. Who is right? Both are right, so if some players find it too hard then it needs to be made easier. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/180 "2021-03-06T17:04:59Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > It’s called learning. Yeah, learning curve too steep. Do you understand now I make it this simple? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899.md?page=10)