# EVE Online dev team is understaffed **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 28, 2022, 7:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593 "2022-07-28T07:03:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/102 "2022-07-29T11:17:17Z")
2019 … and now ? ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/103 "2022-07-29T11:18:42Z")
TBH They said in the FW presentation that it might stretch to all factions of space maybe they will have a way for us to edit the map. Wish we could move star gates around. ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/104 "2022-07-29T11:19:33Z")
> [@Oleg\_K77](#): > > Gankers like to think they are keeping economy from inevitable collapse, but reality is a little different It’s worse. Gankers think EVE is _their_ game. Talk about deluded. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/105 "2022-07-29T11:19:49Z")
Remember Ultima Online? I know one member of the CSM does. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Monkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_monkey/32/328559_2.png) [@Forum\_Monkey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/106 "2022-07-29T11:21:43Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > 2019 … and now ? WOTLK classic just got announced. And season of mastery vanilla server are still played. In Fact: WoW Classic is the biggest success story MMOs have seen recently, only lately getting rivaled by Lost Ark. But even LA didnt came anywhere near close the WoW classic hype in 2019. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/107 "2022-07-29T11:24:18Z")
Yea I played classic wow when it came out again it was pretty fun but lost its appeal after 4months ish when they took way to long to release the the patches. ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/108 "2022-07-29T11:30:44Z")
> [@Small\_Kitty\_Paws](#): > > One thing that definitely will kill EVE is splitting the community Seriously doubt it. The community is already divided and we can see this everyday on this forum. You have the " Calm down miner " groups and You have the " Gankers are psychopaths " groups. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/109 "2022-07-29T11:30:51Z")
And when all the Nostalgia Vanity products get done with, what then ? We’re comparing Wow community with Eve community now … Im so done with this conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Monkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_monkey/32/328559_2.png) [@Forum\_Monkey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/110 "2022-07-29T11:36:05Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > We’re comparing Wow community with Eve community now … Well, you asked for it. > [@Verlyn](#): > > Im so done with this conversation. You stated you’d quit the discussion multiple times now, yet ur still here. > [@Verlyn](#): > > And when all the Nostalgia Vanity products get done with, what then ? Classic Plus will get announced. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/111 "2022-07-29T11:38:50Z")
> [@Ursula\_Anders](#): > > Seriously doubt it. > The community is already divided and we can see this everyday on this forum. > You have the " Calm down miner " groups and > You have the " Gankers are psychopaths " groups. Ultima Online had this split, and then the dev team got bought and were pushed to make a special snowflake server, and became a strictly PVE with limited PVP themepark game. The full PVP server got shut down. Same thing will happen here, over time. The old Ultima had to be taken on by private servers, and who has the capacity to host Eve privately ? Virutally no one, and also the fact PA would have to give away its rights to the game. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/112 "2022-07-29T11:39:51Z")
> [@Forum\_Monkey](#): > > Classic Plus will get announced. lol … ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/113 "2022-07-29T11:43:24Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > Ultima Online had this split, and then the dev team got bought and were pushed to make a special snowflake server, and became a strictly PVE with limited PVP themepark game. > > The full PVP server got shut down. > > Same thing will happen here. > > The old Ultima had to be taken on by private servers, and who has the capacity to host Eve privately ? > > Virutally no one, and also the fact PA would have to give away its rights to the game All that doesn’t demonstrate that the community isn’t divided. It’s so divided that ISD have to ban people for a week because they lob insults at each other. You have the right to your opinion and so do I. My opinion is that a new server is a **great** idea. Now insult me and demonstrate again how divided this community is. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Monkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_monkey/32/328559_2.png) [@Forum\_Monkey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/114 "2022-07-29T11:46:01Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > lol > > … Well… i dont get the joke? Blizzard made a shtload of money, established an entirely new product line with their classic servers, millions upon millions of players had years of great fun and even a promising future since new content on the horizon? Classic WoW was the best move Blizzard did in years. ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Kitty\_Paws](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/small_kitty_paws/32/267673_2.png) [@Small\_Kitty\_Paws](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Small_Kitty_Paws)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/115 "2022-07-29T11:51:46Z")
lol, you really think that EVE revolves only around ganking? Just quit if you don’t like it. No point in hitting head into a wall. ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/116 "2022-07-29T11:53:17Z")
> [@Small\_Kitty\_Paws](#): > > you really think that EVE revolves only around ganking? Just quit if you don’t like it. No point in hitting head into a wall. You’re way off. ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/117 "2022-07-29T11:55:28Z")
> [@Forum\_Monkey](#): > > Well… i dont get the joke? I do. He thinks you’re an uneducated snowflake and that he’s right. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/118 "2022-07-29T11:59:24Z")
> [@Forum\_Monkey](#): > > There are MANY folks who quit EvE over getting blown up in highsec for seemingly no reason. Yeah, you sound like Ratatti. Apparently eve is full of newbros who don’t understand what would motivate someone to kill another player in a full loot UPvP game. > [@Forum\_Monkey](#): > > There are even more who dont even give it a shot because people are 20 years ahead in progress. That’s because they don’t understand how Eve works. It is a skill based game with a flat power curve, and the average player is probably only a couple of years old. But blame shifters gonna blame shift. > [@Forum\_Monkey](#): > > Tranqulities sandbox has become stale and boring And so you thing the solution is to reduce player interaction and competition, and make it easier for people to optimize towards boredom? > [@Forum\_Monkey](#): > > everything is set in stone and there is nothing really to claim for people. Yeah, it’s absolutely amazing to me how people keep asserting something that is objectively and demonstrably untrue. I don’t even try to keep track of nullsec happenings, but know for a fact that groups claim space when opportunities present themselves (i.e. wars, glassings, and organizational collapses). It might be harder to take space now than when CCP was adding vast amounts of unclaimed space, but I thought this was supposed to be a challenging UPvP sandbox that says that you might win, and not a fluffy themepark that says everyone gets to be a winner. > [@Forum\_Monkey](#): > > And no, highsec ganking does not make the game spectacular or appealing, its just incredibly frustrating for newer players, It’s true that the anti-UPvP types outnumber the pro-UPvP types, but the truth of the matter is that there are players out there that love the challenge and emergent game play opportunities that ganking provides. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/6/c/46c5ac6364f38a4dfd7b7baf675293c239b36cdb.jpeg) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/d/1/ad13dceede18754d5b1ea027cc35776472868c84.png) > [@Forum\_Monkey](#): > > An entire new galaxy however for everyone to claim, everyone starting out from fresh, somewhat evenly footed, new alliances, new politics, etc. this is what is needed. You think this because you are a defeatist with a strong external locus of control. You are your own biggest enemy, and a new server isn’t going to change that. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Monkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_monkey/32/328559_2.png) [@Forum\_Monkey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/119 "2022-07-29T12:00:17Z")
> [@Oleg\_K77](#): > > zkill stats for June 2022, Hi-sec losses: > Overall: [4.53t](https://zkillboard.com/asearch/#%7B%22buttons%22:%5B%22togglefilters%22,%22custom%22,%22label-highsec%22,%22attackers-and%22,%22either-and%22,%22victims-and%22,%22sort-isk%22,%22sort-desc%22,%22page1%22,%22allinvolved%22%5D,%22dtstart%22:%222022-06-01%2000:00%22,%22dtend%22:%222022-06-30%2023:59%22%7D) > NPC kills: [1.21t](https://zkillboard.com/asearch/#%7B%22buttons%22:%5B%22togglefilters%22,%22custom%22,%22label-highsec%22,%22label-npc%22,%22attackers-and%22,%22either-and%22,%22victims-and%22,%22sort-isk%22,%22sort-desc%22,%22page1%22,%22allinvolved%22%5D,%22dtstart%22:%222022-06-01%2000:00%22,%22dtend%22:%222022-06-30%2023:59%22%7D) > Ganked: [308.7b](https://zkillboard.com/asearch/#%7B%22buttons%22:%5B%22togglefilters%22,%22custom%22,%22label-highsec%22,%22label-ganked%22,%22attackers-and%22,%22either-and%22,%22victims-and%22,%22sort-isk%22,%22sort-desc%22,%22page1%22,%22allinvolved%22%5D,%22dtstart%22:%222022-06-01%2000:00%22,%22dtend%22:%222022-06-30%2023:59%22%7D) Lowsec: 7.69t Nullsec: 22.06t so what, ganking makes less than 10% of overall losses, yet its the biggest dividing factor the game currently has. > [@Ursula\_Anders](#): > > He thinks you’re a retard and that he’s right. I dont know even what he tries to be right about? WoW Classic not beeing a success? hello? have he been living under a rock for the past 3 years? Edit: @Verlyn after slander and personal insults now flags posts because he cant handle reality… sad. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/120 "2022-07-29T12:02:44Z")
Wait, how is the economy supposed to function in this alleged new paradigm? Who is going to live on the other side of HS from Jita and why? How would making the universe smaller help anything? ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593/121 "2022-07-29T12:11:03Z")
You’re splitting an already small community of a UPvP sandbox, which reduces social mass and content in a game where the players are the real content of the game. And no, I’m not just pulling that out of my ass. I’ve heard devs say that players are the content in this game. So, it’s befuddling to me how many people there are playing this game, who don’t value UPvP content, and think that CCP should deliver more crappy PvE content while making it easier to optimize towards boredom. I just don’t get it. How are there so many people here who don’t want to play the game that CCP made? Oh, but I forgot the original point I was trying to make. Splitting the server is not guaranteed to result in everyone getting to play the game they want forever. It might have a better chance of working if Eve had a bigger audience, but at this point in time, there’s a very real chance that it would just kill the game. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-dev-team-is-understaffed/371593.md?page=7)