# EVE Online Ecosystem Outlook **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [March 30, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809 "2020-03-30T18:10:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Tobiant\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tobiant_ormand/32/327222_2.png) [@Tobiant\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tobiant_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/191 "2020-03-30T22:05:36Z")
Sounds like an environment suitable for a blue doughnut…no reason to attack each other in null if they actually rely on one another for resources. ---
**Author:** ![Shimo\_Luse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shimo_luse/32/392293_2.png) [@Shimo\_Luse](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shimo_Luse)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/192 "2020-03-30T22:05:45Z")
“В квартальном опросе мы предлагаем нашим игрокам набор утверждений, по которым они должны выразить своё согласие или несогласие.”, это серьёзно сейчас, да? 1. “В EVE Online справедливый баланс между риском/усилием и вознаграждением” - очень справедливый баланс, я там корячился в лоу на плексах и мисках, завозил пимпованые корабли для бёрнеров, где меня хантили все кому не лень (иногда приходится летать в нули даже чтобы миску пройти за 15к ЛП), а потом появились даньжи, которые можно делать чуть ли не на андоке Житы, на Гиле, практически без шансов умереть, всё что в них падает предназначается для новой имбалансной фракции кораблей, а следовательно не упадёт в цене ибо спрос на имбаланс будет всегда высокий. Так же с ФВ - 0 систем у Калдари, 0 Карл! 20 минут крутишь маяк - 5к СП, 0 заработка! БАЛАНС 2. “У новых игроков есть возможности добиться успеха в игре” Конечно есть, если ты ноулайфер, способный днями и ночами (ГОДАМИ) крабить. Лицемерие зашкаливает ---
**Author:** ![Tobiant\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tobiant_ormand/32/327222_2.png) [@Tobiant\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tobiant_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/193 "2020-03-30T22:06:19Z")
Google translate? Lol!? ---
**Author:** ![JimoJimJim\_BimboBimbim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jimojimjim_bimbobimbim/32/248845_2.png) [@JimoJimJim\_BimboBimbim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JimoJimJim_BimboBimbim)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/194 "2020-03-30T22:06:36Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/c/7ca123db3de313297d199803ee8bf5d97f06c271.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/195 "2020-03-30T22:07:36Z")
Except the era where they did have to do that had a lot more large scale warfare than now. Now there were multiple reasons for that, not just resources. But again, history tells us otherwise. EVE has been here before, the changes away from that were a huge mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Scorp\_Majors](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scorp_majors/32/123732_2.png) [@Scorp\_Majors](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scorp_Majors)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/196 "2020-03-30T22:08:26Z")
lol… ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/197 "2020-03-30T22:08:38Z")
> [@Shimo\_Luse](#): > > Конечно есть, если ты ноулайфер, способный днями и ночами (ГОДАМИ) крабить. If you insist on playing alone… ---
**Author:** ![Stevens](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stevens/32/186556_2.png) [@Stevens](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stevens)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/198 "2020-03-30T22:09:26Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > [@Stevens](#): > > > > Demonstratably false, you must be able to prove this then? What did I say that was demonstratably false? > > You didn;t say anything. You said that Olmeca said “the null members of CSM are not devoted to improving nullsec but devoted to improving the game”, which is false as null members of the CSM are devoted to improving nullsec for their alliances. You have no proof of this beyond your own feelings, and again you decide Olmeca is the bad guy now that they don’t agree with your conspiracy. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > [@Stevens](#): > > > > You had a person who got into the CSM strictly on the goal to make sure the nullsec groups were playing fair, and they come back and say “Yes nullsec CSM members are looking out for the entire game” > > 🤣 🤣 🤣 That’s convenient. A member with friends in nullsec groups joins to prove that nullsec CSM members are playing fair in a system that clearly favours null groups and comes back saying everything is fine. Again where is your proof of this. Olmeca is still vocally opposed to nullsec and actively opposes changes for them, but begrudingly admits that the nullsec CSM does want the game to be better. The only thing you have for this is to keep saying “Olmeca lies” with no proof of it. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > [@Stevens](#): > > > > instead of accepting reality you decide that person to must be compromised and lying to you. > > You mean, instead of taking their word for it, I look at the evidence and conclude that they are either lying or incredibly high? What evidence? Them saying that the null csm is supporting the game is not evidence of them lying just because you don’t like the answer. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > [@Stevens](#): > > > > There is no proof that would convince you so that makes you delusional. > > what is that based on? There’s plenty that would convince me. If the CSM pushed for changes that fundamentally destryoed teh ability for their massive blue doughtnut to hold wealth and power, that would convince me. All the time they continue to nudge through changes that have either no effect or a positive effect on the upper echelons of null ppowers, being told “it’s fair, honest guv” butters no parsnips. What changes have the CSM pushed through that supports the power of the massive blue donut. I have seen them push against changes that allowed them to become more entrenched (which I would think you would find to be a good thing but null == bad). They vocally opposed Rorquals becoming mining ships, they opposed citadels being deployed in their current form, and they opposed the entosis system. These systems all allowed null blocs to fortify their homes and expand their forces but each one the CSM tried to stop. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > [@Stevens](#): > > > > No but you must be new. I have not seen you in any high level diplomatic channels > > Nope, just not been in null for a few years and when I was I was imperium, so I’m hardly going to be advertising to you, am I? Oh so you don’t know what goes on. You just assume every war is prearranged with a winner and a loser, and every fight has to go through diplomats. You actually have no proof of this. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > [@Stevens](#): > > > > I am part of the Test High Command > > And you wonder why I’m not taking you seriously when you declare that your CSM buddies are impartial? Do you know what an NDA is? People have been removed from the CSM for breaking them so I have gained no new information from Vily that you don’t also have. Your entire arguement revolves around saying “everyone is lying in public and I am only one who knows the truth” > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > [@Stevens](#): > > > > So the vast majority of feedback has lead to constant nerfs to nullsec, > > To line members. On an alliance level pretty much eery change has ensure the continuation of power. Come on, you claim to be in high command, yet you don’t understand there’s a difference between impacting the gameplay of a grunt at the bottom and the alliance as a whole? And all those changes that increased power have been opposed by the CSM, as you can see in the meeting minutes. But you believe there is some sort of secret CSM that is directing CCPs every move. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > [@Stevens](#): > > > > and this is some grand conspiracy of the top level members of nullsec doing what? > > It’s not a “grand conspiracy”, that’s just the label you seem to be throwing around to try to discredit any argument against you. Nullsec leaders want to retain ISK and power and to do so they manipulate the CSM votes to get people that wil represent their interests into the CSM with people who will make minimum impacts as fallbacks. That’s not a consipracy, that’s a well known fact. The imperium even publishes their vote list so that it can’t be leaked. > > What you’re saying is that they manipulate the vote to get their mates in power so that their mates can actively seek changes against their interests and CCP just keep ignoring them and buffing nullsec alliances anyway. Manipulate votes is a pretty extreme way of putting it. Its more akin to a political party electing their candidate. I am not saying they vote people into to oppose their own interests I am saying they vote people in to improve the game. If the CSM only pushed for null buffs CCP wouldn’t do it, because again CCP does not have to listen to the CSM. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > [@Stevens](#): > > > > Rorquals and citadels have both been shouted down by the CSM to still be released as initially presented by CCP. > > Which changes and where have they been shouted down? And how exactly would those changes affect the balance of power negatively? Again, there’sa difference between a change that affects nullsec grunts and nullsec leadership. Nullsec CSM candidates push for what will benefit the leadership because that’s who guarantees they will retain their position. This whole leadership vs line member is again some thing that you just made up. I don’t even know what to say to it because nullsec leadership is always working to improve the game play for their members. You have no concept of the amount of time people in leadership spend to make this game better for their members. You just like to ■■■■ on them for some imagined failure that has no basis in reality. ---
**Author:** ![LePaJ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lepaj/32/317734_2.png) [@LePaJ](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LePaJ)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/199 "2020-03-30T22:10:55Z")
> [@Shimo\_Luse](#): > > Конечно есть, если ты ноулайфер, способный днями и ночами (ГОДАМИ) крабить. Play with 3-4 accounts and enjoy the game. Fell 1kkk per hour from burners (twice a week 😀). ---
**Author:** ![Shimo\_Luse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shimo_luse/32/392293_2.png) [@Shimo\_Luse](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shimo_Luse)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/201 "2020-03-30T22:15:44Z")
Это типа была ирония с твоей стороны? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/202 "2020-03-30T22:16:15Z")
Well, unlike some players I’ve seen posting in this thread, I don’t require billions of ISK daily. I’m more than happy with what I make in high sec. If that makes me a peasant, then so be it, but I’m enjoying the game… ---
**Author:** ![Shimo\_Luse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shimo_luse/32/392293_2.png) [@Shimo\_Luse](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shimo_Luse)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/204 "2020-03-30T22:18:46Z")
> [@LePaJ](#): > > Play with 3-4 accounts and enjoy the game. Fell 1kkk per hour from burners (twice a week 😀). а почему так мало аккаунтов? ---
**Author:** ![Strazka\_omuji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/strazka_omuji/32/194754_2.png) [@Strazka\_omuji](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Strazka_omuji)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/205 "2020-03-30T22:19:15Z")
with the current state of the ecosystem and austerity measures being a ship builder/seller has become a non - profit endever eg you buy the ores from jita or other trade hub then produce your ship and sell it if you had purchased enough to make one ship say a hyperion currenty 200- 250m in jita, the cost of the ores will now negate any profit the only way is to now get your ‘mak’ out an go mining now its no longer pos to go moon mining as we know an losec has been striped of basic ores so its not worth trying mining there and we can also see a reduction in highsec systems of those same ores i can only hope that when redisdrobution occures some of us smaller industrialist piiots are still around ! this is killing off the solo player ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/206 "2020-03-30T22:21:12Z")
> [@Strazka\_omuji](#): > > eg you buy the ores from jita or other trade hub then produce your ship and sell it Why this should be even profitable? Everyone can do it. Even more, everyone can do it at a spare account, since this does not look too time-consuming. ---
**Author:** ![Senior\_Beavis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/senior_beavis/32/169662_2.png) [@Senior\_Beavis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Senior_Beavis)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/207 "2020-03-30T22:25:42Z")
That is an awful lot of words that say nothing of concrete value. Seems to basically be the whole theme of these changes, months later. If that doesn’t worry people, esp with CCP’s track record, I don’t know what will. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/208 "2020-03-30T22:31:08Z")
> [@Alexis\_Aylet](#): > > CCP Devs: We’re making everything worse now, because eventually we hope it might make things better somehow. > And you should totally trust our ability to do this despite the numerous examples to the contrary. Alexis Aylet: I can’t see past the tip of my nose and am angry because I can’t keep doing the exact same thing for the exact same amount of money. ---
**Author:** ![Eimar\_Akytamku](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eimar_akytamku/32/86123_2.png) [@Eimar\_Akytamku](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eimar_Akytamku)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/209 "2020-03-30T22:38:58Z")
If the base material prices go up, then eventually the end product will go up in price as well. ---
**Author:** ![Joia\_Crenca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/joia_crenca/32/291897_2.png) [@Joia\_Crenca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Joia_Crenca)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/210 "2020-03-30T22:43:36Z")
> If the base material prices go up, then eventually the end product will go up in price as well. The cause and effect reaction here can be delayed because of an abundance of back inventory, however, so you might not see that price increase for some time. ---
**Author:** ![Gabberflasted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gabberflasted/32/194758_2.png) [@Gabberflasted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gabberflasted)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/212 "2020-03-30T22:54:23Z")
Highsec moon mining was perfect game content. That is what drew new players into the game, not your 17 year incessant drive to force every single player into null. If you only want people in null, then just delete empire space. This blog post was the exact same thing you have been saying since the beginning… BLAH BLAH BLAH we want everyone in null… BLAH BLAH BLAH the CSM alliances aren’t rich enough… Garbage “plan” from a garbage game company that stumbled on a good concept and has failed miserably for two decades to cultivate that concept into what it should have become. ---
**Author:** ![Stevens](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stevens/32/186556_2.png) [@Stevens](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stevens)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/213 "2020-03-30T22:54:48Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > This is a lot of words for you to make stuff up with no source of proof. You have no stake in any nullsec alliance so you have no proof of what you are saying. If you want to act like you actually are nullsec leadership post on your main and prove, otherwise just like everything else you said it is just made up fantasties. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809.md?page=11)