# EVE Online Ecosystem Outlook **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [March 30, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809 "2020-03-30T18:10:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/365 "2020-03-31T13:01:47Z")
> [@Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](#): > > PS: …will the price of plex be cut in half? I dunno about _half_, but… I’d expect to see it come down more, yes. Not only will all of these people loudly declaring they’ll unsubscribe again not create demand, but the available ISK supply dropping will create a downward pressure on PLEX prices—or, because PLEX always originate w/RL money, an increased scarcity of ISK will _increase_ the price of ISK, paid in PLEX. ---
**Author:** ![Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abdullah-sekir-bashka/32/182573_2.png) [@Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/366 "2020-03-31T13:02:57Z")
> [@CCP\_Rattati](#): > > but there is room for improvement on making the content a bit more dynamic and challenging. it’s called allready Gank in HS, just Gang in LS and Neut Gang in NS. This dynamic phenomena can already occur at any time and at any level of difficulty ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/367 "2020-03-31T13:04:50Z")
> [@Jedi\_Nite](#): > > Well that told us a whole lot of nothing other than to try to justify your reasoning which doesn’t go with player demand. ‘Player demand’ is pretty much the _worst_ thing to shoot for. ‘I want ice cream and cake for dinner every night’ might make the kids happy, but it won’t keep them _healthy_. ---
**Author:** ![LiuNiclole\_Davout](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/liuniclole_davout/32/185017_2.png) [@LiuNiclole\_Davout](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LiuNiclole_Davout)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/368 "2020-03-31T13:06:05Z")
So let’s see, Eve numbers continue to plummet to below 2008 numbers and the people in charge seem to think if they SCREAM “PVP MORE, YOU IDIOT PAYING CUSTOMERS!!!” at us, the same old failed solution will bring different results? Time to start looking for another MMO when this one crashes an burns while still SCREECHING “PVP!!!” and claiming success from ticket sales to Events with the few remaining real live humans. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/369 "2020-03-31T13:07:44Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > And now they say “waiting longer is bad”? Why should I be happy about such cynicism? AFK Cloaky Camping. Observatories. Citadels not loosing their rigs if moved within the same system. iHub/TCU citadel replacements. Weapon timers for interdictor probes as per other AOE weapons. At least war declarations got a good pass, though by that point I’d abandoned my old account and restarted on this one… > [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Instead of working on this garbage red dot, which again wasted precious dev time, they should have worked on this with the entire company. The new player experience was the focus right? Makes sense, the new players are the ones that still have that hope one day of growing up to be something instead of a crusty bitter vet. > [@elitatwo](#): > > Where in the world do you get the idea that “veterans make too many isk”? One of my old corp’s members left for Delve and told me he made enough ISK ratting in a super in a few months his whole year was paid up in PLEX. Another returned to the game after several years break and got given 50 billion from one of his friends who’d kept playing the whole time. > [@elitatwo](#): > > Since when is a ship loss “meaningless”?? Ever since the SRP blanket was there to wipe bottoms with a fresh flannel. > [@elitatwo](#): > > If you want all thing be equal make it mandatory to allow **ONE** account be online at the same time from the same life form. Good luck policing that. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Well, since one of those is **OPEC** … As if the miners would ever unionise. > [@ClanLogan](#): > > While I realize CCP needed more $ - taking it out on the newer players who have to buy to compete OR have good resources so they can afford to DIE repeatedly at the hands of gankers isn’t balancing the game it is disadvantaging the High Sec cadre Exactly. Think of the thousands that left the game because of the shitty war dec mechanic closing down corporation after corporation who got bullied by 5 corps doing like %50 of the wars. > [@ClanLogan](#): > > This pisses me off because I pay for my Omega and earn my isk in the game mostly and you are making it harder as usual. Disgusted. It does seem somewhat unfair that one group have a very easy time of making ISK whilst another has no choice but to front up the cash. > [@Taritura](#): > > Everything that’s written in that blog doesn’t matter any one can destroy your many months of work within seconds with laughable risk, so … it’s ■■■■■■■■. EVE is very frustrating in that the robbery of a player for 1 billion ISK is treated the same as if 1 ISK was stolen. > [@Taritura](#): > > Remove ganking in HS. Maybe not that far, how about locking another player not in fleet ( or corp/alliance ) requires yellow safety. Yellow safety makes you go suspect, instantly. > [@Taritura](#): > > Remove wardec in HS Actually war declarations are much better than what they were, at least there is a clear line being crossed now. > [@Taritura](#): > > Remove the stupid thing that you have to pay 200mill to activate a killmail Kill rights would be a bit more fun if the suspect flag lasted the whole 30 days for anyone who activated the right. Bounty payout needs some love too… > [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > And if your alliance/coalition calls for locust fleets, you just participate and contribute to the greater good. Its not a locust fleet if it doesn’t die out once all the food is gone. > [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > The reason why there is no profit in manufacture of ships is that everyone tries to make ships… hence no profits. I ■■■■ you not, one guy would always low-ball his stuff because he “just wanted to do the activity” of mining and industry. Soon enough with the 0.1 ISK’ing nobody could get a sale with decent margin because a certain segment of the population use $$$ for their account and don’t care how much ISK they sell stuff for. It screws over the idea of a ‘player driving economy’ because its effectively a subsidised manufacturing operation. > [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > That is why shortage has to last a while. If CCP really wants to promote scarcity, the shortage needs to last months, not weeks. Even with this dynamic algorithm thingy its going to last a long time because of the massive reserves that are already stockpiled. > [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > I am yet to see someone perform suicide gank on a citadel Ask PL about this time when someone suicided 1000 talkers onto a citadel to blow it up. Took a bit longer than 1 second though. > [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > If neutral in local is all it takes for you to stop playing then you shouldn’t be in null. A cloaked neutral who can AFK/Bot with impunity. Is AFK/Botting something you think should be in Eve? > [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > You really have no clue what you are talking about, don’t you? Probably fell victim to one of those scams where a kill right looks like it costs 2 million but as soon as someone looks like they might activate it, the alt with the kill right changes it to 200 million. Classic scam that aught to have a re-list tax on it too. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Red Dot brigade could stop annoying all of the other players who didn’t have a damned thing to do with those damned dots. Do you remember the "bong’ sound from a few years back every time a target was killed? That got removed pretty much next day… > [@Ysonoko\_Lelexandrian](#): > > I found ctrl+a helps get rids of the dot quickly enough. Good tip, thanks. > [@Maenth](#): > > ALSO, moon materials should be used in making more **Advanced Capital Components** to use in T2 capital modules, Maybe the industrial and covert cyno’s should be T2 modules that have to be invented off of a T1 cyno print? Just another place to sink the moon goo. ---
**Author:** ![Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abdullah-sekir-bashka/32/182573_2.png) [@Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/370 "2020-03-31T13:12:23Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > It does seem somewhat unfair that one group have a very easy time of making ISK whilst another has no choice but to front up the cash. this is BS. You can earn ISK everywhere and even with very few skills. There’s only one thing you can’t earn ISK with…with ships lose like PvP…It’s ironic the whole thing in a PvP game isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/371 "2020-03-31T13:14:44Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Maybe not that far, how about locking another player not in fleet ( or corp/alliance ) requires yellow safety. Yellow safety makes you go suspect, instantly. Doesn’t make you go suspect… and gankers don’t care if locking you makes them go suspect. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > If CCP really wants to promote scarcity, the shortage needs to last months, not weeks. Even with this dynamic algorithm thingy its going to last a long time because of the massive reserves that are already stockpiled. To be fair shortage started at Christmas and is slowly being cranked up. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Probably fell victim to one of those scams where a kill right looks like it costs 2 million but as soon as someone looks like they might activate it, the alt with the kill right changes it to 200 million. Classic scam that aught to have a re-list tax on it too. Didn’t think of this one. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/372 "2020-03-31T13:19:02Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Just moving in space, takes ages. And yet, at the same time, I can go 100 light-years in about half an hour. That’s what, 17,520 times the speed of light? And we complain about ‘too slow’… > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > we can’t change charges when the module is cycling. I wouldn’t want to try changing my oil with the engine running. > [@LiuNiclole\_Davout](#): > > Eve numbers continue to **plummet** to below 2008 numbers ![plummet](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/5/4557071209c341e2fa52eebfd3e0e56edc266a16.jpeg) I do not think that word means what you think it means. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > As if the miners would ever unionise. You should learn your history, kiddo. > **[As if inlation wasn't already bad enough now: OTEC: Organization of...](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/topic/100093/)** > > EVE allows you to discover, explore and dominate an amazing science fiction universe while you fight, trade, form corporations and alliances with other players. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Do you remember the "bong’ sound EVE has sound? (No, seriously, nobody who gets into big fights has sound enabled. It takes more processing power than the best graphics setting.) ---
**Author:** ![Anulia\_Amantaria](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anulia_amantaria/32/471697_2.png) [@Anulia\_Amantaria](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anulia_Amantaria)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/373 "2020-03-31T13:23:43Z")
Now, concurrency has more than fully recovered but instead of bots we have a host of genuine new players taking their first steps in EVE …that’s a joke, right? You do not actually believe that… How blind are you guys to what is actually happening. They just wrote better bots. The only thing that really changed something for bounty payouts was the blackout, and you bailed from that. Now the myrmidon and Ishtar bots are back, and they even farm the NS data and relic sites. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/374 "2020-03-31T13:25:12Z")
> [@Anulia\_Amantaria](#): > > Now, concurrency has more than fully recovered but instead of bots we have a host of genuine new players taking their first steps in EVE > > …that’s a joke, right? > You do not actually believe that… No, it’s a lot of old players coming back because ‘you need to spend all your time inside away from other people’ is basically ‘Go play EVE or your granny dies’. ---
**Author:** ![Anulia\_Amantaria](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anulia_amantaria/32/471697_2.png) [@Anulia\_Amantaria](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anulia_Amantaria)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/375 "2020-03-31T13:28:36Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > No, it’s a lot of old players coming back because ‘you need to spend all your time inside away from other people’ is basically ‘Go play EVE or your granny dies’. Just no Player number have been the same since about mid January. That was the end of the “bots are coming back” phase after they backed out of the blackout situation with their tails between their legs. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/376 "2020-03-31T13:30:56Z")
Nope. Definitely seen a lot of the people who’d left the game come back in the last month. Our fleet participation metrics are up, FCs who’d ‘won’ EVE have been running fleets, and on and on. ---
**Author:** ![Anulia\_Amantaria](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anulia_amantaria/32/471697_2.png) [@Anulia\_Amantaria](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anulia_Amantaria)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/377 "2020-03-31T13:32:38Z")
Yes, of course now with the lockdowns we have many more players. But still… the player count from mid January to end February was very consistent. And those are the 4000 ish bots that are active again ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/378 "2020-03-31T13:33:25Z")
> [@Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](#): > > this is BS. Really? I wish CCP did a graph for ‘average life expectancy’ of a rorqual per region. > [@Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](#): > > It’s ironic the whole thing in a PvP game isn’t it? There was a CCP presentation last year that said Eve is at its core PvE game, modelled after ideas of the weather in Iceland, just wait 15 minutes and it will change. > [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > gankers don’t care if locking you makes them go suspect. I care because all those sneaky scanning ships on the gates to trade hubs would become fireworks instead. > [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > Didn’t think of this one. Yeah, its pretty hard sometimes to remember what it was like when everything was new. Fell for that one with a battleship one day. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/379 "2020-03-31T13:35:49Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > You should learn your history, kiddo. I’ll amend that to “as if the miners would stay unionized”. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abdullah-sekir-bashka/32/182573_2.png) [@Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abdullah-Sekir-Bashka)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/380 "2020-03-31T13:36:49Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > ![plummet](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/5/4557071209c341e2fa52eebfd3e0e56edc266a16.jpeg) > > I do not think that word means what you think it means. These are all my new alliance allies who write a sign language and do nothing else all day but bookmark all Combat signatures and then salvage them. And they do it across systems. I’m not even sure how far they’re not bots. I don’t like players like that at all. And yes, I am greedy… ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/381 "2020-03-31T13:36:56Z")
> [@Anulia\_Amantaria](#): > > And those are the 4000 ish bots that are active again I think you’d have a hard time demonstrating that they ever _left_. Look, I know CCP likes to say that they’re getting better at killing bots, but the fact is, industrial bot farms just spin up new bots as soon as one gets squished. That’s how they work in _every_ MMO, and it’d be insane to imagine that CCP’s managed to overcome years of spoofing/VPN development in the eternal cybersecurity arms race, better than _anyone else_ on the globe has. So no. They never _went_ anywhere. There was no ‘the bots are coming back’ phase. The bots never left. ---
**Author:** ![Anulia\_Amantaria](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anulia_amantaria/32/471697_2.png) [@Anulia\_Amantaria](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anulia_Amantaria)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/382 "2020-03-31T13:38:04Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Previous rates of construction will come down, sure, but _destruction_ also needs to go up. And with dreads harder to make, Rorqs get safer and safer to fly. Have you ever witnessed how fast 100 bombers can f up a Rorqs? They just have to kick the god damm invuln thing, or at least make it MUCH shorter ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/383 "2020-03-31T13:38:51Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > I’ll amend that to “as if the miners would stay unionized”. 😛 You should also brush up on current events: > **[DOTLAN EveMaps: Alliances](https://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/all/memberCount)** > > DOTLAN EveMaps is the leading online/interactive map/alliance/corporation resource database for Eve Online ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/384 "2020-03-31T13:39:50Z")
> [@Anulia\_Amantaria](#): > > Have you ever witnessed how fast 100 bombers can f up a Rorqs? > They just have to kick the god damm invuln thing, or at least make it MUCH shorter Have you ever seen how fast 100 bored supercapital pilots can drop on bombers? Because I see it every goddamned night. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809.md?page=19)