# EVE Online Ecosystem Outlook **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [March 30, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809 "2020-03-30T18:10:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Xylynex\_Farqir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xylynex_farqir/32/242618_2.png) [@Xylynex\_Farqir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xylynex_Farqir)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/721 "2020-09-30T11:25:41Z")
Subscription cancelled… I guess the only way to determine if changes are not liked are to display your disgust 😥 ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/722 "2020-09-30T16:09:03Z")
Don’t let the door slam on your way out… ---
**Author:** ![Earnest\_Emu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/earnest_emu/32/380843_2.png) [@Earnest\_Emu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Earnest_Emu)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/723 "2020-10-01T02:23:30Z")
A road map contains details, this doesn’t… ---
**Author:** ![Earnest\_Emu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/earnest_emu/32/380843_2.png) [@Earnest\_Emu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Earnest_Emu)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/724 "2020-10-01T02:28:57Z")
“Increase veteran engagement through nurturing conflict” You really think this is what veterans want ?? Maybe a bit of equaltiy would be nice ie, I pay $20 for plex to buy injector, I get 150k sp, new player spends the same cash and gets 500k. How does this keep the vets happy ? Maybe survey vets and see what they want and don’t assume more conflict ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/725 "2020-10-01T02:33:46Z")
> [@Earnest\_Emu](#): > > I get 150k sp, new player spends the same cash and gets 500k. How does this keep the vets happy ? Most of us A: Don’t buy injectors using Plex isk, we earn the isk in game because we are vets and can. B: Understand the meaning of diminishing returns and how this helps newbies feel the ability to be competitive. C: Understand that our greater earning power means we can afford 3 injectors to their every 1. ---
**Author:** ![Earnest\_Emu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/earnest_emu/32/380843_2.png) [@Earnest\_Emu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Earnest_Emu)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/726 "2020-10-01T03:22:44Z")
So its OK then for older people to pay more for the same MCD burger as they have earned income for longer ?? If you happy to work harder to achieve the same outcome I am happy for you. But its the principle of equality that counts… ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 3:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/727 "2020-10-01T03:40:57Z")
> [@Earnest\_Emu](#): > > But its the principle of equality that counts… May I refer you to a far better principle known as Equity if you want to talk about Principles. ---
**Author:** ![Earnest\_Emu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/earnest_emu/32/380843_2.png) [@Earnest\_Emu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Earnest_Emu)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 4:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/728 "2020-10-01T04:13:44Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Equity Irrelevant to the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 4:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/729 "2020-10-01T04:17:16Z")
Absolutely relevant as the diminishing returns reflect an equity approach rather than an equality approach, on the basis that characters with more SP have higher income potential than lower SP characters. ---
**Author:** ![Earnest\_Emu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/earnest_emu/32/380843_2.png) [@Earnest\_Emu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Earnest_Emu)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 4:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/730 "2020-10-01T04:23:22Z")
I was saying I want equal value for the $20 I spend, how is it it relevant ? OH wait, I get less for my $20, maybe it is relevant after all. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/731 "2020-10-01T05:09:08Z")
> [@Earnest\_Emu](#): > > Maybe survey vets and see what they want and don’t assume more conflict > [@Earnest\_Emu](#): > > Irrelevant to the discussion. You were the one asking for opinions. Just because we didn’t instantly side with you in demanding more. I mean sure, you can demand “Equal value” all you want. But we’ve explained why it doesn’t work that way. And simply shouting “equality” doesn’t mean it should change, because equality is not desirable when it decreases equity. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/732 "2020-10-01T06:48:23Z")
Seems to me a Veteran injecting those SP into a fresh alt would not only get the same SP as the new player into their first character, they would also make much more practical use of said alt, including not wasting them on dumb skills like the new player would. You get much more than the new player if you use them on the same grade of clone. So yeah, its worth more to old salts than new bees ---
**Author:** ![Blade\_Darth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blade_darth/32/378598_2.png) [@Blade\_Darth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blade_Darth)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/733 "2020-10-02T15:53:48Z")
Rorq (and mining in general so people can’t box a mining fleet) needs an update. If mining was an actual activity and Rorq was the boost/ compression ship it’s supposed to be instead of mainline miner, there would be no need to “redistribute resources”. ---
**Author:** ![Val\_Kaleth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/val_kaleth/32/187364_2.png) [@Val\_Kaleth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Val_Kaleth)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/734 "2020-10-02T19:56:08Z")
“80% less isk from bots” seems like an arbitrary number where they once again refuse to show how they distinguish “bot” from “actual human fed up and left the game” or "we are using stories of bots to make our bad ideas look like they are doing something other than make people be fed up and leave the game. ---
**Author:** ![cMo\_McCloud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cmo_mccloud/32/309812_2.png) [@cMo\_McCloud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cMo_McCloud)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/735 "2020-10-21T01:58:43Z")
@CCP_Dopamine hey can you guys keep updates like this rolling out more often? I hate playing with other people and updates like this will make sure that I can fly around with less people. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tursiops_truncatus/32/232426_2.png) [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tursiops_Truncatus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/736 "2020-10-21T05:51:14Z")
Under 18k online, CCP is saying people not logging in are the bots or mad people like me? ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/737 "2020-10-21T06:22:00Z")
> [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](#): > > Under 18k online Mid week, off peak time. Why are you surprised? USA are all asleep for work tomorrow and Europe isn’t awake yet. Aus is only just finishing work and about to log on even. So it’s about as bad as you can get timezone wise for players. ---
**Author:** ![Lily\_Inkura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lily_inkura/32/174143_2.png) [@Lily\_Inkura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lily_Inkura)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/738 "2020-10-21T07:15:51Z")
> [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](#): > > Under 18k online Yup, as @Nevyn_Auscent says, pretty standard number for this time of day/ week. ---
**Author:** ![Pith\_Hurdaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pith_hurdaa/32/198748_2.png) [@Pith\_Hurdaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pith_Hurdaa)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/739 "2020-12-17T08:07:18Z")
So, nine months since this Ecosystem outlook. Waddabout a server status outlook? > **[EVE-Offline :: EVE-Online Status monitor](https://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility)** Set it to one year: 33k period average. 6 months: 32k 3 months: 27k 1 month: 24k 2 weeks: 22k See a tendency here? ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/740 "2020-12-17T08:16:07Z")
> [@Pith\_Hurdaa](#): > > See a tendency here? Yes, it’s called a lack of understanding about dropped data points causing the average to skew higher on longer term graphs. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809.md?page=34) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809.md?page=36)