# EVE Online Ecosystem Outlook **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [March 30, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809 "2020-03-30T18:10:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Imagia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/imagia/32/482468_2.png) [@Imagia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Imagia)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/83 "2020-03-30T20:01:32Z")
> [@Alexis\_Aylet](#): > > So what will happen is the devs will find ways to nerf playstyles, ships and regions rich in resource or isk generation and spread those out so everyone will have a much tinier piece of the pie and most people are worse off as a result. > > If you’re a noob or someone who hasn’t spent the time developing the methods to generate resources or isk you might be better off, but only because everyone else will just be dragged down to the same level. Exactly my thought. Mining and ratting in null sec and low sec with be no more profitable than they are in high sec, so there is no bonus to doing it there. The null sec and low sec corps may as well mine and rat in high sec. No risk, all the rewards. We mine and rat in big ships because of the risk and the reward, the big ships have to pay for themselves and what we want to do beyond that. How many Orca fleets from null sec have to go to high sec and strip mine every resource from under neath the high sec miners before Orca fleets get nerfed because of high sec whining. I am not mentioning wormhole space as I am unfamiliar with the mechanics exactly, so to comment would be wrong, but the way I would see it is, for an analogy High sec - mining in up to exhumers Low sec - mining in up to exhumers with Orca fleet support (Orca mining) Null sec/Wormholes - mining in up to exhumers with Rorqual fleet support (Rorqual mining) The reason we are not seeing the mining fleets in null sec is that the cyno was removed from the Rorqual, so a force recon has to be on grid, instead of a barge. This reduced the mining capabilities and forced a lot of skill injector purchases. I will get shot down for this, however, I would prefer to see a lower yield (10-15%) on the excavators, the cyno back on the Rorqual and therefore if you have multiple accounts, others can be used to fleet mine, rather than providing fleet jump support. This way you have your mining fleet, and don’t lose the use of the Rorqual as a solo ship. ---
**Author:** ![Stevens](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stevens/32/186556_2.png) [@Stevens](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stevens)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/84 "2020-03-30T20:01:53Z")
> [@Alexis\_Aylet](#): > > [CCP Rattati on Declarations of War podcast (resource changes, Dust/Nova!)](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-rattati-on-declarations-of-war-podcast-resource-changes-dust-nova/223199) > > Skip the first 12 or 13 minutes if you don’t care about hearing about Dust or Project Nova, they start talking about EVE at around that point. You may want to consider this information out of date as we have new information in the form of this devblog. > [@Hetty\_Lang](#): > > sorry i meant the guy you was replying too, who was quoting something a dev said on a podcast We both got mixed up there so all good. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/85 "2020-03-30T20:02:16Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Honestly, I really don’t understand why people still bother to mine in highsec. Try to move 5B worth of tritanium from null to HS. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/86 "2020-03-30T20:07:01Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Honestly, I really don’t understand why people still bother to mine in highsec. Because I can still make billions mining in high sec. I mined 1 million m3 in a conduit yesterday and there was still plenty of ore left. ---
**Author:** ![Stevens](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stevens/32/186556_2.png) [@Stevens](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stevens)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/88 "2020-03-30T20:11:10Z")
OK well you don’t base your opinions in reality so not much can be helped there. Guess no matter what happens NULLSEC == BAD and you can’t be convinced otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/89 "2020-03-30T20:12:43Z")
> [@Aernir\_Ridley](#): > > That’s in regards to resources not ISK; How do you know that? What do you mean by “resources”? Ore? Assets? Ships? ---
**Author:** ![Ferro\_Geffit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferro_geffit/32/194724_2.png) [@Ferro\_Geffit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferro_Geffit)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/90 "2020-03-30T20:15:15Z")
Why is the bar that shows healthy left of center? seems to me the idea is to reduce players ability to use ISK for Plex. ---
**Author:** ![Aernir\_Ridley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aernir_ridley/32/339667_2.png) [@Aernir\_Ridley](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aernir_Ridley)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/91 "2020-03-30T20:16:03Z")
At the moment that means Basic Minerals, all their changes so far have been extremely specific to basic minerals (they even passed up an opportunity to change moon goo). Whether they extend that to other resources like salvage, moon good, etc. we’ll have to see, but for now we know for sure they’re targeting basic minerals. ---
**Author:** ![Stevens](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stevens/32/186556_2.png) [@Stevens](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stevens)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/92 "2020-03-30T20:17:01Z")
This devblog was not only about minerals though. It was actually the opposite of extremely specific in this regard. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/93 "2020-03-30T20:17:29Z")
> [@Aernir\_Ridley](#): > > At the moment that means Basic Minerals, How do you know this? Where are you getting these facts? > [@Aernir\_Ridley](#): > > all their changes so far have been extremely specific to basic minerals “Income” of basic minerals? Where are you getting this? ---
**Author:** ![Vixen\_Vix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixen_vix/32/384059_2.png) [@Vixen\_Vix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixen_Vix)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/94 "2020-03-30T20:17:52Z")
👍 Keep up the good work! ---
**Author:** ![TrouserDeagle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trouserdeagle/32/420239_2.png) [@TrouserDeagle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TrouserDeagle)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/95 "2020-03-30T20:18:10Z")
triglavians have been a massive balance downgrade though ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/96 "2020-03-30T20:18:46Z")
How so? Once you know how to deal with them, they are a non-issue… ---
**Author:** ![Aernir\_Ridley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aernir_ridley/32/339667_2.png) [@Aernir\_Ridley](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aernir_Ridley)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/97 "2020-03-30T20:20:15Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > “Income” of basic minerals? Where are you getting this? Every change which they’ve labeled with Resource Distribution has singularly affected Minerals. The initial nullsec anom reductions, the second significantly stronger round of reductions, and finally the moon changes. All of them were singularly focused on the scarcity of Basic Minerals. > [@Stevens](#): > > This devblog was not only about minerals though. It was actually the opposite of extremely specific in this regard. I was talking about the Resource Distribution section. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/98 "2020-03-30T20:21:25Z")
> [@Aernir\_Ridley](#): > > All of them were singularly focused on the scarcity of Basic Minerals. I did a Ctrl+F on the page and the word “Mineral” does not appear in the entire blog. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/4/94b9ecae510f4b113d8402fdebd2eaa3d5e5560d.png) So where are you coming up with this? Are you just making shitup? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/99 "2020-03-30T20:25:24Z")
_higher income_ And the healthy line is 15AU behind that marker, does this mean we will be doing more for less? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/101 "2020-03-30T20:29:28Z")
> [@Stevens](#): > > The thought that nullsec CSM members only want to improve it for their selves needs to die because it has never been true. You are being a bit too naive. Whilst the CSM may not deliberately make everything about them and their game, they have shown bad judgment/blindness when it comes to the game outside of null. The whole ‘we’ve made the game too safe and rewarding over the past few years’ hasn’t been the message of the CSM until only recently, and that might only be thanks to Olmeca. People on the forums have been screaming at CCP about risk/reward problems and wallets getting too fat for ■■■■■■■ ages. ■■■■■■■… **years**! This was a problem _before_ the Rorqual changes. But i honestly don’t remember the CSM trying to promote conflict outside of null sec. Or risk/reward balance at all…if anything they have sort to lower the risks of gameplay outside of null. ---
**Author:** ![Aernir\_Ridley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aernir_ridley/32/339667_2.png) [@Aernir\_Ridley](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aernir_Ridley)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/102 "2020-03-30T20:29:49Z")
The initial round of reductions didn’t appear in the patch notes, but after that we have the major reductions: ![Annotation 2020-03-30 162413](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/5/a52a1657d17bd9f7b31f4dcdb5570b893a62cf5d.png) And from there we have the Moon Changes: > **[Moon Mineral Distribution Update | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/article/q7v1q4/moon-mineral-distribution-update)** > > Update on the upcoming changes to Moons. > **[Moon Mineral Distribution | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/article/q5jp49/moon-mineral-distribution)** > > Upcoming changes to the mineral distribution. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/103 "2020-03-30T20:30:09Z")
I don’t just mine in conduits. I also wipe out entire belts and ice anoms, so yes, you can still make billions in high sec. No, you won’t be able to do it in a single day like in null, but it’s still pretty good ISK for high sec. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809/104 "2020-03-30T20:30:36Z")
Ok, that’s nice dear. We’ve read those already. And we’re not talking about those updates. We’re talking about THIS dev blog. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-ecosystem-outlook/228809.md?page=6)