# Eve online is way too unforgiving for new players **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [April 18, 2021, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514 "2021-04-18T21:03:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Lenetra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lenetra/32/271741_2.png) [@Lenetra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lenetra)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/82 "2021-05-10T13:59:24Z")
if youre new, like i was, reading only cargo cap and ignore most of the otherwise useless text(as amarr ship user the 10mb for drones is a downgrade from magnate), like ship mass, looking at shield/armor/hull, click fitting see amount of turrets(2!!), and wondering hmmm, this is a weak ship… after selling a few of them wondering why they would bother giving us this ship i see [mineral capacity:5000]. those of us who have played the questionable con citizen and more streamlined elite know that the 2 caps should be next to each other like cargo/ammo/mineral cap - ?/?/?(havent seen a ship with all 3 so imagine ?/?) alas, i would have to suggest a new specs tab, with the power of photoshop, or gimp/paint cuz im cheap, because comparing multiple ships and weighing every slot, cargo cap, ehp, speed, and… sensor… stat, still not sure what thats good for as ive yet to slap anything onto a ship lowers that part of our stats. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/83 "2021-05-10T22:11:34Z")
I’d rather gouge my own eyes out than mine in some shitfit destroyer and jetcan literally every miner cycle. If you fit 4 compact mining lasers on a cata, you’ve already maxed out your CPU and you still mine less than a venture with an MLU. And if you’re jetcanning you can get your ore stolen as well. ---
**Author:** ![Fhuo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fhuo/32/261835_2.png) [@Fhuo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fhuo)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/84 "2021-05-11T23:21:03Z")
> [@Lenetra](#): > > if youre new, like i was, reading only cargo cap and ignore most of the otherwise useless text haha yea. i mined for like 2 months in a nereus because of this 😑 I also thought looting and salvaging were the same thing. so I lost missed out on a lot of salvage… ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/85 "2021-05-11T23:41:59Z")
> [@Lenetra](#): > > alas, i would have to suggest a new specs tab, with the power of photoshop, or gimp/paint cuz im cheap, because comparing multiple ships and weighing every slot, cargo cap, ehp, speed, and… sensor… stat, still not sure what thats good for as ive yet to slap anything onto a ship lowers that part of our stats. A new specs tab you say? When you rightclick a ship and look at attributes, you can see all those stats. Or if you want to compare multiple modules or ships, I think the ingame ‘compare’ tool will do nicely. Also that sensor stat you’re wondering about, you can lower it as downside of equipping a cloak or warp core stabilizers. With lower sensor strength it takes longer to lock a target before you can start shooting it. Preferably you want it not to be lower, and in case you want to lock faster you could equip sensor boosters or signal amplifiers. ---
**Author:** ![Lenetra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lenetra/32/271741_2.png) [@Lenetra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lenetra)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/86 "2021-05-12T13:35:49Z")
actually you cant, when prepping an idea for a build you need to view everything, including turret/launchers, # of slots per type, the 2-3 pages worth in specs(default height). sure sure, you can fill your screen with a sim fit, and poke it with mods to see what works for you, but for the quicker view, its quite inefficient. do i expect integrated comparison when simply looking at the specs of C/BC/BS while in a des, no. good thing im alpha, i dont have to think about those cloaks(i looked last night didnt see one non-omega mod)… or bad thing because people swear by the ninja way of life\<\_\< ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/87 "2021-05-12T13:42:29Z")
Everything? Like all of these things? ![afbeelding](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/4/c/54cca4030722041090c26e371467ff05c4c70e9f.jpeg) It shows everything that’s different between the two ships and you can select which things you want to focus on. The only thing it doesn’t show is the bonuses of each ship, but you can easily figure those out for yourself. If you want to compare all the different stats between two ships, the compare tool is perfect. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/88 "2021-05-12T21:04:12Z")
What really killed the game was when CCP removed the penalties, skill loss, for getting posted, except if you fly a T3 Strat Cruiser along with adding skill injectors that can rapidly replace lost skills. If CPP WENT back to the old penalty system for losing a ship, losses in skill points, and limited the use of skill injectors based on your status with the local NPC’s and overall Security Status, Ganking would level out and allow new players to enjoy more of the game, the way the game was enjoyable when it first came out. Instead of being a dump server for those gamers who come looking to vroom vroom their toy car into the camp fire and then ask for more allowance to replace their car. Eve Online is not a join and smack around other players with cheap ships. That is not even a video game. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/89 "2021-05-14T05:18:39Z")
Wow, you’ve not only thrown out the baby, you’ve kept the bathwater and decided to drink it as well. Once again, top minds of anti-ganking have come out with a solution that impacts literally everyone in the game more than the gankers. I mean, it takes very little SP to fly a gankalyst with t1 guns. It’s like an hour of training to get one tops. I don’t need to do squat with injectors for that kind of training time. And in highsec it’s quite easy to save your pod, so unless you make losing a SHIP induce SP loss (which is even more moronic) the gankers will be almost completely unaffected. Messing with skill injectors based on your faction standings is equally as stupid, since there’s a perfectly good reason to be hostile to a faction but have done nothing “illegal.” In conclusion, you are clueless, never suggest anything regarding ganking balance again pls tia. ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/91 "2021-06-02T22:13:59Z")
I hate to be the one to say this but… Isn’t 10 million isk per year far more economical? Plus it avoids having to enter the dubious realm of breaking standard game mechanics for real cash. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2021, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/92 "2021-06-02T23:02:10Z")
If your sole goal is to maximize short-term revenue, then yeah that sounds good. Of course, you’d be tearing out the soul of Eve and turning it into a shitty pay2win game, but in the short term you will earn more money. How much $$$ will it cost me to instantly destroy the 1dq keep btw? If we’re going to go pay2win might as well go big. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2021, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/93 "2021-06-03T01:47:30Z")
Or TTT ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2021, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/94 "2021-06-03T02:18:02Z")
> [@Lexei](#): > > It’s just 2-3 days ago I got ganked in high sec 0.7 or 0.6 with 20 catalysts. Luckily I was there and awake so I survived with my orca. Ok, and then you thought because you don’t want to deal with this gankers attaking your ORCA, because it is incinvenient for you, you come to the forums and create a fictisious argument about new players being under siege of those gankers? Makes sense, because of how the other players react if they feel new players are discurraged to play the game. Why not use this fact to get rid of an inconvenience that has repeatedly shown to be an issue mainly for older players not paying attention or getting too overconfident when hauling their riches and therefore presenting a valuable target for pirates. Such brave. Much selfless, Wow! ---
**Author:** ![Adunh\_Slavy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adunh_slavy/32/265310_2.png) [@Adunh\_Slavy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adunh_Slavy)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/95 "2021-06-03T12:56:19Z")
It’s not a binary argument, his inconvenience vrs the impact of ganking on new players. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2021, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/96 "2021-06-03T21:32:30Z")
His inconvenience is a fact. The impact on new players however is a myth. ---
**Author:** ![Xoj\_Ruilegt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xoj_ruilegt/32/390025_2.png) [@Xoj\_Ruilegt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xoj_Ruilegt)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/98 "2021-07-02T21:28:46Z")
I suggested removing kill mail from cases where CONCORD reacted. It may discourage illegal kills in Empire space, and result in less pressure on rookies. I’ll link this here to the source I am talking about, and I’ll link a link to here from there ^^ > [@Kill mail removed from certain cases](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/kill-mail-removed-from-certain-cases/318541): > > I would like to see “kill mail” removed from kills that had CONCORD react to them. This will reduce grief for the sake of kill mails, and hopefully boost the player base which is crumbling: In other words, for clarity sakes: When someone is attacked in Empire space, and CONCORD comes to the rescue, then no kill mails are generated at all. Thanks to feedback an update to the idea occurred: To prevent victim from not knowing who struck its ship, only the victim would receive a … ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/99 "2021-07-02T22:08:25Z")
I’m going to ask this seriously, but what evidence do you (or does anyone, for that matter) have that there is a sizable population hunting rookies deliberately to show off the killmails? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/100 "2021-07-02T22:13:00Z")
No one cares about a killmail generated from your 2 million ISK, poorly fitted, newbie ship… ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/101 "2021-07-02T22:57:13Z")
> [@Xoj\_Ruilegt](#): > > I suggested removing kill mail from cases where CONCORD reacted. It may discourage illegal kills in Empire space, and result in less pressure on rookies. Why do you think removal of killmails discourages illegal kills? Why do you think there is pressure on rookies because of kill mails? Why do you think there should be less pressure on rookies? Why? ---
**Author:** ![Xoj\_Ruilegt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xoj_ruilegt/32/390025_2.png) [@Xoj\_Ruilegt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xoj_Ruilegt)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/102 "2021-07-02T23:08:00Z")
You already asked me these questions on the other forum post. At least the reasonable ones. You are asking me to defend the post owner on this post which I will not do. ---
**Author:** ![Xoj\_Ruilegt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xoj_ruilegt/32/390025_2.png) [@Xoj\_Ruilegt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xoj_Ruilegt)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514/103 "2021-07-02T23:20:00Z")
> [Qia Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare) > > I’m going to ask this seriously, but what evidence do you (or does anyone, for that matter) have that there is a sizable population hunting rookies deliberately to show off the killmails? It is based on what we have seen and experienced as players. You really expect us to hire a research team to dive into kill boards, when we have seen this for ourselves. No, that is for CCP todo if and when they see this a threat to EVE’s future. There is definitely something wrong with the player base and it needs to be fixed: ![EVE slope 2](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/0/8/108a5a52d93f04e67de476e99b383a5823006285.png) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-is-way-too-unforgiving-for-new-players/306514.md?page=6)