# EVE Online: Viridian - Expansion Notes **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** official\ **Created:** [June 9, 2023, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-viridian-expansion-notes/408639 "2023-06-09T13:25:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2023, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-viridian-expansion-notes/408639/162 "2023-07-02T08:16:33Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > If a plan can be voided instantly, it was a bad plan to begin with. So you are basically saying “don’t play eve online as ccp might change the game” ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2023, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-viridian-expansion-notes/408639/163 "2023-07-02T08:32:32Z")
Don’t play that “you are basically saying game” please, it’s a strawman. I said this: > [@Syzygium](#): > > All types of careers were possible at all times, no matter the changes or circumstances. The opposite is true, big changes allow the clever to profit the most. No change that CCP has ever done has ever prevented anyone from being a priate, industrial tycoon, corporation leader or anything. If someone has the plan of “Yeah I will invest all my time and money to sell a 100 Archons per week to a nullsec alliance in 2 years!” and then the Archon gets nerfed so nobody uses it any more, well thats a prime example of a “bad plan”. ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2023, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-viridian-expansion-notes/408639/164 "2023-07-02T08:42:19Z")
you may have all skillpoints or you buy injectors to do whatever comes your mind - i don’t, i train my skills by time. when i make a plan and it takes a year to get the skills up and ccp decides to change the game so that the plan isn’t good any more, thats not making the plan a bad plan. it is just frustrating to see all the skillpoints invested were a bad investment after all ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2023, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-viridian-expansion-notes/408639/165 "2023-07-02T09:08:30Z")
First, there are no activities that take a year to skill to have fun with them. Well, maybe you are a complete noob and your “plan” is to gatecamp solo in a titan. Yeah that would be my definition of a “bad plan”. > [@Lara\_Agnon](#): > > when i make a plan and it takes a year to get the skills up and ccp decides to change the game so that the plan isn’t good any more, thats not making the plan a bad plan. Except that nobody is talking about skill plans here. The point were different careers of what people want to achieve in the game long term, what kind of player they want to become. Besides that, skilling for 12 months for a single activity that is the _only_ benefit you get out of these 12 months of skilling, holy moly yes thats a bad plan. Maybe give an example what CCP has nerfed that took a year to skill into, which is “not good” any more and the skillpoints were a bad investment alltogether? ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-viridian-expansion-notes/408639/166 "2023-07-03T06:46:35Z")
I wasnt talking about skill plans. skills are needed for anything though. > [@Syzygium](#): > > Maybe give an example what CCP has nerfed that took a year to skill into, which is “not good” any more and the skillpoints were a bad investment alltogether? I will give you two: Boson Ratting Rorqual Mining Maybe add Marauders as a third but i am not sure how hard the nerf actually is as i didnt bother to invest any more. Or mining in general. what is the incentive in skilling T2 miners and T2 drones when they waste your stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-viridian-expansion-notes/408639/167 "2023-07-03T08:45:21Z")
> [@Lara\_Agnon](#): > > Boson Ratting > Rorqual Mining > Maybe add Marauders as a third but i am not sure how hard the nerf actually is as i didnt bother to invest any more. lol, thank for for these examples. They first two are pretty high on the list of the worst crap mechanics EVE has ever seen and thank god they were nerfed to the ground. CCP corrected a mistake there, which is absolutely fine. None of them were a “career” anyway, so where does your crazy idea come from that “if they can nerf these things, you shouldn’t even play EVE Online!”. You can still use Rorqals for boosting a mining fleet, you can still use Supers for ratting, none of these SP would be “wasted” except you are a stubborn child, crying “but I want to do exactly that, only that, only that!!!”. The Marauder nerf isn’t any issue at all, Marauders are still useful as they were before and still King of (subcap)PvE by quite a margin. I use all 4 of them in different environments and they are pretty fine as they are now. > [@Lara\_Agnon](#): > > Or mining in general. what is the incentive in skilling T2 miners and T2 drones when they waste your stuff? If you haven’t found out by now, holy moly where to begin to educate you? There are whole topics about that issue where it is explained _in detail_ why the mining changes are a BUFF not a nerf. Try to understand it. ---
**Author:** ![Boags](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boags/32/382554_2.png) [@Boags](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boags)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2023, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-viridian-expansion-notes/408639/168 "2023-07-07T17:19:09Z")
Well it was the oposite but ccp changed it at the last minute. Personally i think the waste mechanics is stupid idea tbh. Just scrap it but keep the type c crystals… i know no group that activily uses them to ■■■■ up other people’s moons etc… but it is used to spawm new site for the better ores etc ---
**Author:** ![Alex\_Nisi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alex_nisi/32/473396_2.png) [@Alex\_Nisi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alex_Nisi)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-viridian-expansion-notes/408639/169 "2023-07-08T21:21:48Z")
Is there any way to add more than one item per project ? I have a project to deliver 600 000 units of tritanium But I want to make a project that will cover a blueprint requiring other minerals. Any way to do this, or perhaps implement it in the future ? Can we right click on a blueprint and add all the required materials into a corp project ? ---
**Author:** ![Sara\_7](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sara_7/32/373748_2.png) [@Sara\_7](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sara_7)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2023, 6:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-viridian-expansion-notes/408639/170 "2023-07-28T06:28:39Z")
Oh Doh !!! See this is why forums = good. I never considered this as a good use for those crystals - thanks for the pro tip 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gonzalez\_Alvajero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gonzalez_alvajero/32/477920_2.png) [@Gonzalez\_Alvajero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gonzalez_Alvajero)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-viridian-expansion-notes/408639/171 "2023-08-17T16:36:35Z")
Heh I just experineced today whit my Golem when I was ratting the bastion module duration time doubled to 60s from 30s. So my ratting ship became a thrash, nice. Now ratting with this ship cahnged extremely dangerous. 45s shouldn’t be just enough? ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-viridian-expansion-notes/408639/172 "2023-08-17T17:54:55Z")
Hey man, you are like a month late to the discssion. The issue has already been settled, here are the results, so you don’t need to waste any time reading through all the topics: - Marauders are still the kings of PvE - Marauders can still shoot even while out of bastion mode like any normal BS can - The fact that you have to decide carefully if you want to enter another cycle or not is a good way to balance out their extreme tanking power and damage projection If you think your Golem is trash now, feel free to contract it to me for free, I will find a use for it. Have a nice day. ---
**Author:** ![Gonzalez\_Alvajero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gonzalez_alvajero/32/477920_2.png) [@Gonzalez\_Alvajero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gonzalez_Alvajero)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-viridian-expansion-notes/408639/173 "2023-08-17T18:15:52Z")
Buy for yourself pal. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2023, 2:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-viridian-expansion-notes/408639/174 "2023-08-18T02:27:39Z")
People gotta input their 2 cents 10/20/30+ days lol I’ll take a free golem. ---
**Author:** ![Dreg\_Apc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dreg_apc/32/381263_2.png) [@Dreg\_Apc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dreg_Apc)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-viridian-expansion-notes/408639/175 "2023-08-19T11:17:51Z")
Has CCP adressed any of the concerns raised by players in this thread? Its only been two months since the release, but still ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-viridian-expansion-notes/408639/176 "2023-11-17T11:18:02Z")
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