# Eve runs (metaphorically) hotter than other games **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 2, 2022, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343 "2022-04-02T16:09:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/1 "2022-04-02T16:09:45Z")
I’ve seen Eve client run hotter than other games, is CCP doing anything to address the intensity of CPU usage of the client? Why does it run hotter than others? This isn’t about cooling, this is about it being more intensive than other games. ---
**Author:** ![Mii\_Lady](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mii_lady/32/380260_2.png) [@Mii\_Lady](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mii_Lady)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/2 "2022-04-02T16:12:04Z")
Spreadsheets cause friction. Didn’t you know? ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/4 "2022-04-02T16:30:07Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Periodically, they stop supporting older machines, which seems to help a lot. Actualy this started happening when they updated their mininum shader model years ago. It started running more intensly so there was some other changes done then. I’ve used newer machines since that update and it still runs more intensly. It is something I notice when compared to other games. I distinctly remember the change in machine usage since that update patch. That was Incarna, shader 3.0 update circa. a decade ago. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/5 "2022-04-02T16:32:21Z")
Optimizing code has never been high on CCP’s list of priorities. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Yonniya\_Rainor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonniya_rainor/32/350908_2.png) [@Yonniya\_Rainor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonniya_Rainor)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/7 "2022-04-02T16:41:29Z")
> [@Mii\_Lady](#): > > Spreadsheets cause friction. Didn’t you know? Especially column sorting. (hey this wasn’t so bad it had to be flagged but, ah well) ---
**Author:** ![Leggone\_Stracks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leggone_stracks/32/290900_2.png) [@Leggone\_Stracks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leggone_Stracks)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/8 "2022-04-02T16:50:45Z")
Yeah, Python isn’t down their near the metal, so real optimization depends on your library and toolset providers. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/9 "2022-04-02T16:54:47Z")
Who is flagging posts? Is this a serious topic? The code is 20 years old, of course it is inefficient. ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/10 "2022-04-02T16:55:27Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > The code is 20 years old, of course it is inefficient. They made it more inefficient with the Incarna SM3.0 update to squeeze in CQ/WiS (only to be ripped out again after). Updating the graphics stuff isn’t a problem on the hardware, it’s the inefficiency they also added in the process. I’ve noticed this change on both Windows and Linux/Wine and on two different sets of hardware, older and newer. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/11 "2022-04-02T17:00:26Z")
There is no way the graphics engine will ever be overhauled. They were very, very challenged just to allow us to log out to the login screen rather than closing the client. Maintenance mode is not compatible with rewriting huge sections of code to optimize for GPU efficiency. ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/12 "2022-04-02T17:00:47Z")
It’s the CPU that runs hotter than the GPU and it started happening with Incarna. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/13 "2022-04-02T17:03:23Z")
Probably because they are running graphics on the CPU, rather than pushing processes onto the GPU. ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/14 "2022-04-02T17:05:05Z")
Would it be PhysX (APEX) for their character modelling? That runs on the GPU though. It’s even doing it when no character model is displayed. > **[GDC\_2010\_CCP\_APEX\_Clothing.pdf](https://developer.download.nvidia.com/presentations/2010/gdc/GDC_2010_CCP_APEX_Clothing.pdf)** > > 1947.23 KB ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/15 "2022-04-02T17:06:06Z")
Agree. When I have a few clients open, my GPU is barely ticking over. But the CPU cooler sounds like a jet engine. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/16 "2022-04-02T17:52:45Z")
My PC isn’t exactly high spec, and I can’t say I’ve noticed any issue. Then again, I have an application that shuts down all un-necessary programs while I am gaming. Other than that my PC copes pretty well…the only stuttering I get is during that gate jump animation, or with the lag at Jita. Its worth getting a can of sprayduster, as even a small amount of dust accumulated on the graphic card or fans can make a huge difference. I clean inside my PC every month or so. ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/17 "2022-04-02T17:53:21Z")
This thread is not about a cooling issue. It’s about the intensity increase added the game since Incarna and it’s not a GPU issue, the CPU is utilised more. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/18 "2022-04-02T17:58:09Z")
> [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](#): > > This thread is not about a cooling issue That’s an odd title for a thread that is not about cooling. ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/19 "2022-04-02T17:58:25Z")
“Hotter” is a _metaphor_ for utilisation. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/20 "2022-04-02T17:59:44Z")
Well…no…the CPU does _literally_ get hotter with utilisation. That’s why it needs a fan. ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/21 "2022-04-02T18:00:57Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/4/1/c41eda81e92295c029288af2b60b56518593fa29.jpeg) In the context of my topic, I am using it as a _metaphor_. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343/22 "2022-04-02T18:07:18Z")
Bangs my head against a ( metaphorical ) wall. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-runs-metaphorically-hotter-than-other-games/356343.md?page=2)