# Eve = Safe **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [June 30, 2017, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974 "2017-06-30T10:15:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![FlipMoe\_Squad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flipmoe_squad/32/8646_2.png) [@FlipMoe\_Squad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FlipMoe_Squad)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/101 "2017-07-13T17:21:56Z")
This is crime and punishment, which allows for bending of said rules…as stated by ccp staff. I played between 2006-2011…you figured me out. But it does seem like a new game. Flag any post you feel inappropriate, by all means. ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/102 "2017-07-13T17:28:37Z")
> [@hellokittyonline](#): > > So back on topic. One thing that makes eve way too safe is ECM. I think ECM should be removed and replaced with Logistics Disruptors because jamming logi is the only use for ECM when content is being generated. Every other use just removes content from the game. Back on topic, please stop derailing. ---
**Author:** ![Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noragen_neirfallas/32/375148_2.png) [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noragen_Neirfallas)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/103 "2017-07-13T17:43:29Z")
I feel players that dislike ecm should be jammed first and killed last ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/104 "2017-07-13T17:46:42Z")
ECM is a pretty poor mechanic. Definitely needs to be changed. At least remove ECM drones. ---
**Author:** ![Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noragen_neirfallas/32/375148_2.png) [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noragen_Neirfallas)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/105 "2017-07-13T18:31:36Z")
It’s balanced if nothing else and easily countered much like all ewar ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/106 "2017-07-13T18:43:44Z")
It’s poor game design and primarily serves as a “one ewar trumps all” for poor pilots. The only use that is conducive with encouraging player generated content is countering logistics as previously mentioned. But we all know you guys are just arguing for it so you can whore on suicide ganker KMs. Again though, this isn’t supposed to be a conversation about if it’s balanced. It’s supposed to be a conversation about making eve less safe, so a proper response if you do not like my idea, would be another way we could change ECM to make it conducive with player generated content. ---
**Author:** ![FlipMoe\_Squad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flipmoe_squad/32/8646_2.png) [@FlipMoe\_Squad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FlipMoe_Squad)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/107 "2017-07-13T19:07:54Z")
Get used to it because all warfare from ww1 on had some sort of e-war. You’re obviously whining and fishing. Propaganda on the radio is ewar … It’s ok, your point is completely invalid and anyone who agrees with you is a silly troll and it’s a source of humour. Thanks for the laughs 🙂 I’ll check back in a few hrs if this whine and cheese fest has gotten any more action. ---
**Author:** ![Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syeed_ameer_ali/32/411549_2.png) [@Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syeed_Ameer_Ali)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/108 "2017-07-13T19:15:22Z")
I like ECM. Nothing says “■■■■ you, war target,” quite like letting them take down your tank a bit, then right at that moment when they start to believe, you de-cloak a Falcon. Good times, good times. Player-generated content. ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/109 "2017-07-13T19:32:23Z")
Im actually posting suggestions that are conducive with the topic at hand. While you’re doing nothing but trying to derail every discussion into an anti-ganking thread. ---
**Author:** ![FlipMoe\_Squad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flipmoe_squad/32/8646_2.png) [@FlipMoe\_Squad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FlipMoe_Squad)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/110 "2017-07-13T19:37:14Z")
Please quote? Ive mentioned I’ve done the gank’n’soop many times. I am no adversary. Again, you’re just fishing and terrible at it. ---
**Author:** ![FlipMoe\_Squad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flipmoe_squad/32/8646_2.png) [@FlipMoe\_Squad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FlipMoe_Squad)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/111 "2017-07-13T19:39:30Z")
I like that stinking pile…there you go ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/112 "2017-07-13T19:57:54Z")
> [@Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](#): > > I like ECM. Nothing says “■■■■ you, war target,” quite like letting them take down your tank a bit, then right at that moment when they start to believe, you de-cloak a Falcon. Good times, good times. Player-generated content. While it may be enjoyable as a troll tactic it still seems like a poorly implemented mechanic. It would be an improvement on the game overall if it were replaced with a more skillbased mechanic. ---
**Author:** ![Toran\_Mallow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/toran_mallow/32/55286_2.png) [@Toran\_Mallow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Toran_Mallow)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/113 "2017-07-13T20:29:36Z")
> [@Derp\_Durrr](#): > > I am looking for suggestions for things that we the players can do, no matter how ridiculous, to help make Eve unsafe again. Give me a couple hundred million isk to pay for expenses and I’ll raise some hell in high sec for you. 😜 ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/114 "2017-07-13T20:53:01Z")
I think it’d be awesome to have Level4Geddon or IncursionGeddon and just gank a ton of pve battleships. ---
**Author:** ![Kathern\_Aurilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kathern_aurilen/32/149798_2.png) [@Kathern\_Aurilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kathern_Aurilen)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/115 "2017-07-13T21:02:12Z")
There should be a faster easier way to trigger kill rights. It’s such a pain to dig down into the character board to find and trigger. Should be a way to hotkey a specific kill right or something on the his if in system. And a kill rights auction house. ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/116 "2017-07-13T21:16:45Z")
There is a button on the upper right corner of the selected item window. It’s a little target that allows you to activate them but yea I agree that it’d be awesome if there was a hotkey for it. ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/117 "2017-07-14T06:48:51Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/2X/c/c357f586b43f16a71e2c43edd6948ac403e97e38.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![FlipMoe\_Squad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flipmoe_squad/32/8646_2.png) [@FlipMoe\_Squad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FlipMoe_Squad)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/118 "2017-07-14T06:51:05Z")
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**Author:** ![FlipMoe\_Squad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flipmoe_squad/32/8646_2.png) [@FlipMoe\_Squad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FlipMoe_Squad)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/119 "2017-07-14T07:08:23Z")
That’s cute, have a like. Post with an alt or GTFO . MY NEW FORUM RULES. ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-safe/7974/120 "2017-07-14T16:45:55Z")
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