# EVE skills STILL take too long to train (Sponsored Streamer Reaction) **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 18, 2022, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549 "2022-12-18T01:11:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/23 "2022-12-18T04:34:11Z")
> [@Elzon1](#): > > I recently saw one of the streamers I follow playing EVE and she reminded me of this issue once again. You realize why she’s upset right? She’s Gen Z, so shorter attention span. Also streaming is most likely her job or wanting to be her main job. Therefore EVE’s skill model doesn’t fit because she has to “work” by playing vidya games. Meanwhile the rest of us adults with jobby jobs and real lives appreciate EVE’s model because we can real life and not fall behind skill wise. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/24 "2022-12-18T05:13:37Z")
love susu she have huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge talent btw i know her because of mxr plays lol [quote="Elzon1, post:21, topic:388549, username:Elzon1”] They need to be in DOCTRINE ships in order for 0.0 groups to truly accept newbies. However, newbies don’t want to wait too long to be in said 0.0 groups and so they need to be able to effectively fly doctrine ships much more quickly than is currently possible. In order to accelerate this, training times will have to be sped up across the board due to the number of general skills used in doctrine ships. [/quote] yeah we reaaaly neeed nobs flying doctrine ships in 0.0 ASAP not… [quote="Aiko Danuja, post:22, topic:388549, full:true, username:Aiko\_Danuja”] New players are lame. Who cares? [/quote] agree they are poor and boring and they smell bad … and i don’t like them ---
**Author:** ![Posh\_Wynoa\_Spice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/posh_wynoa_spice/32/455534_2.png) [@Posh\_Wynoa\_Spice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Posh_Wynoa_Spice)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 5:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/25 "2022-12-18T05:27:45Z")
IF she cared, enough, she can inject the skills. There are means to do that quickly, and for relatively new characters, it works quite well as you get 100% of the SP. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 5:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/26 "2022-12-18T05:30:04Z")
You figure if she was actually sponsored by CCP, they’d give her injectors. I get OP got a cyber crush on her, but he don’t gotta simp for her in front of us as the youngins say. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 5:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/27 "2022-12-18T05:31:54Z")
[quote="Gix Firebrand, post:26, topic:388549, username:Gix\_Firebrand”] I get OP got a cyber crush on her, but he don’t gotta simp for her in front of us as the youngins say. [/quote] is totally healthy to simp for susu or the botez sisters a “friend of mine” do it all the time 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/28 "2022-12-18T06:10:57Z")
> [@Elzon1](#): > > resource balancing phase really didn’t have anything to do with skillpoints or ships in general. It had to do with balancing the resources mined vs the resources destroyed Lol what? Thats not what Resource Wars was. You mustve been afk when CCP introduced it. ---
**Author:** ![Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keginu_nelir_shimaya/32/355594_2.png) [@Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keginu_Nelir_Shimaya)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/29 "2022-12-18T07:05:01Z")
> [@Ariel\_Kryten](#): > > The skill training system works just fine. It’s not our fault that the current generation of gamers have the patience and attention span of a toddler on crack… today’s generation is weary of your constant attempts to heal complexes… ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/30 "2022-12-18T07:43:24Z")
I am 100% down with new players flying big ships badly. Nothing like killing a marauder with a frigate. ---
**Author:** ![Eternus8lux8lucis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eternus8lux8lucis/32/385152_2.png) [@Eternus8lux8lucis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eternus8lux8lucis)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/31 "2022-12-18T08:18:58Z")
One of the easiest ways to get those noobs into flying doctrine ships is to pay for those skill injectors and telling them what to skill when they do, give them books and ships then and voila you paid for it to happen. Open those big alliance level coffers to your noobs and do it yourself. In no way would I ever support speeding up the process to skill up as it would negate and ruin the game as it stands. Its already incredibly fast if you know what youre doing. Teach them and let them be patient or hell! Even take them out in noob friendly doctrines. Brave used to do this a ton back in the day. Do it again and again and let them have content and fun as noobs. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/32 "2022-12-18T08:43:51Z")
> [@Elzon1](#): > > They need to be in DOCTRINE ships in order for 0.0 groups to truly accept newbies. > [@Elzon1](#): > > In order to get 0.0 groups to accept said newbies they’ll need to fly doctrine ships. > [@Elzon1](#): > > order to fly with us they need to fly multiple doctrine ships along with effective equipment. > [@Elzon1](#): > > However, in order for most organizations to see someone as useful they need to fly and effectively use doctrine ships/equipment. Then… create DOCTRINE ships newbies can fly! 🙄 > [@Elzon1](#): > > Having a few hundred lower tier ships roaming around can cause quite a bit of damage/havoc. Take your own words to heart. It isn’t everyone else’s fault that the culture of null is inherently anti-newb “you must fly a Slepnir or bust” kind of attitude. Whose fault is that? The people running null. Just shouting the word “doctrine” repeatedly shows you have a narrow one track idea for a solution and aren’t really seeing the big picture. > [@Elzon1](#): > > What tends to keep the newbie players to stay with EVE is when they’re flying with a larger group of people. And this is where you’re objectively wrong. When you watch CCP’s latest video on newbie retention (citation: “The Friendship Machine” 2019) the number 1 mechanism for newbie retention that beats anything CCP has done is: A) Be in _a_ fleet, it doesn’t matter the size; and, B) Get their ship blown up Nowhere in the presentation do they say “bigger fleet size is better retention wise”. Just _any_ fleet will do. Yes it’s be nice if nullsec could help out but that has nothing to do with SP gain and everything to do with FCs and seeders not bothering creating DOCTRINE fits and stocking those ships _for newbies_. If null sec groups don’t do this then it’s a bummer but it’s not like nullsec is the sole exclusive place to find fleets. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/33 "2022-12-18T08:46:00Z")
LOL ![history](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/1/0/31010b8e470a7455b73a67fb5ccf3c139a11bf3e.jpeg) ![2](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/a/1/aa14970f10e0045f315c31dedd8159b7667b6d8a.jpeg) > **[ResonanceOfWar | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/2119720764/)** > > ResonanceOfWar: 1,189 ships destroyed and 310 ships lost. Stop complaining watch lots of youtube and get good this char was made end of feb and beating the crap out of caldari veterens np. To get the sp my route was: 1. Spam abyss tier 0 with 5mil sp and a merlin. 2. Use that isk to do DataCenters: [Data centers - EVE University Wiki](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Data_centers) tag hand in’s for standings. 3. Spam Anomic missions with a hawk and then slowly use the isk to buy skill injectors and train into proper anomic mission running ship’s allowing you to do more mission types. Must have used 100b already on skill injectors. ![3](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/4/2/342ef4a5662f3a216c1b2fe9d482ad0d90d4b366.jpeg) Each mission is like 10min so its easily achievable over 1 year. (260 hours) People cannot complain about not catching up people can only complain about their own lack of motivation and effort. ---
**Author:** ![Pistabacsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pistabacsi/32/347052_2.png) [@Pistabacsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pistabacsi)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/34 "2022-12-18T08:51:58Z")
It’s all about money. As you see on screen, she can buy an expert system to use the mining barge for a week, meantime learning the skill. CCP’s answer to any problem is to create something you can buy. I know this is a business, but I feel it’s way too overrated. Also they desperately needs new players (new boss in the chair), but they still not understand the reasons why so many player leave this game after a few weeks/months/. The reason is simply. A new player feels like a piece a meat in the meatgrinder. And the problem is not the difficulty of the game, instead of the countless bored “Veteran” EVE player, who scam/gank/grief them. Also this game is really time consuming and if you don’t have at least 4 hours to play daily, you will be way behind in everything. So CCP is going to the really wrong way to scoop in new players. Because all the veterans plexing multiple accounts, and making trillions of ISK every month, but the dad with 3 kids, who just want to mine in HS 1-2 hours a day will definitely unsubscribe, when some “Veteran” bait gank his poor Orca… Currently the game has much more ISK rich players, who can plex multiple accounts with ease, because they have time to play (which is a second job basically) and a few players who subscribe for real money and try to survive in the wilderness… ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/35 "2022-12-18T09:49:05Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > A) Be in _a_ fleet, it doesn’t matter the size; and, ccp is doing that one can join a fleet on week 1 I’m not a fan but who am i to say > [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > Stop complaining watch lots of youtube and get good this char was made end of feb and beating the crap out of caldari veterens n 👍 i play this ■■■■ for more than 10 years and i stoped at this ![Captura de Tela 2022-12-18 às 06.43.17](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/0/a/30a43240581836f4f288b96202ab862ddd615260.png) lots of useless mining , industry , capital ships that i dont even use SP is overrated the “i have to catch up” mindset is a noob thing they think that eve is wow eve have LOTS of horizontal progression , meaning that you can be the best t1 cruiser player , or the best miner , or the best explorer … no need to do all , to have all do what you want them train to do something different for variety btw wen i played wow people used to grind months for the BIS gear , just to get it powercreepd on the next patch / expantion at least eve progression is permanent and the op 40 years bla bla bla is so misleading > [@Pistabacsi](#): > > “Veteran” EVE player yes because wen you have 10 years old you have the same money as your parents its like they were never kids i used to mine in a bestower with one small laser back them … and here i am EVE is a niche game , if you like it you stay , if you don’t good riddance edit: also “in eve you have to get 1000 alts to do something “ “in eve you have to get a big group to do something” pure BS people loooooove to say i have to wen in reality they want to edit2: ![Captura de Tela 2022-12-18 às 07.31.44](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/7/5/f755f6438516db1f8984f735a72f9478db0fa6e2.jpeg) ![Captura de Tela 2022-12-18 às 07.31.54](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/b/8/8b837fe47f2cdce2f12b57eb39347d4de66e7bd0.png) ![Captura de Tela 2022-12-18 às 07.32.40](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/6/f/96f57ba2162839bce4d6fded3a3cc2c59e9b7f59.png) different players different paths amazing 😲 ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/36 "2022-12-18T11:18:31Z")
Posts like this is why CCP is marketing to the wrong demographic. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/37 "2022-12-18T11:23:46Z")
1. clueless new player does something silly and loses ships repeatedly 2. clueless new player demands faster skill training to get into “better” ships faster 3. ccp “gives in” and nukes the skill training in multiple, novel, innovative and (especially) lucrative ways, and gives veterans token compensations to prevent nuking the PCU again 4. clueless but highly sp’d new player buys plex for cash to fund “better” ships and skills (economy and finances being what they are) 5. clueless highly sp’d player loses “better” ships and 4.a. rage quits or 4.b. creates forum threads about unfair advantage of “veterans” demanding some new “advantage” or 4.c. gives fresh fuel to the anti-gank forum crusaders or 4.d. buys more plex and returns to step 4 until mom/dad/spouse/significant other says: “enough” 6. everyone happy: ccp for higher income and nice statistics on “new accounts made”, veterans for more clueless ships to burn out of space and more cheap plex on the market, **except** the “clueless” new player who is still “clueless” and never took the time to learn to make informed decisions and take _calculated_ risks, let alone learn to fly a spaceship in dangerous space. Diabolical scheme, I love it. 👹 ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/38 "2022-12-18T12:48:41Z")
> [@Elzon1](#): > > They need to be in DOCTRINE ships in order for 0.0 groups to truly accept newbies. However, newbies don’t want to wait too long to be in said 0.0 groups and so they need to be able to effectively fly doctrine ships much more quickly than is currently possible. You’ve been playing since 2009, but apparently you’ve never heard of the beginning of the Goons. > [@Elzon1](#): > > The resource balancing phase really didn’t have anything to do with skillpoints or ships in general. You’ve been playing since 2009, but you somehow missed being able to distinguish between Resource Wars (look it up), Resource Redistribution, and Scarcity. > [@Elzon1](#): > > I recently saw one of the streamers I follow playing EVE and she reminded me of this issue once again. Sure, I get that you’re a bit mind-boggled by a cute face and the way she applies some hefty cleavage to leverage her influence (is cleaverage a thing now? Is that what makes streaming-for-pay work?). And personally I have no problem with speeding up skill gain, it’s no skin off my back. Just letting you know that some of the stuff you’re lobbying for is already here (swarms of effective noobs in workable ships fairly quickly - go read up on Red vs. Blue, Faction Wars, Eve Rookie Incursions, EVE University roam fleets, and others that already do it). And some of what you’re asking for is directly abusable by the most game-abusing groups in EVE: null entities. (Hordes of new players in current doctrine ships.) So it’s not gonna happen, anyone can see you’re shilling for them as well as the streamer. > [@Elzon1](#): > > If all training is accelerated for everyone then it effects everyone equally. If everyone is super, then no one is. Perhaps. But in that case, the “new doctrine” will simply move to whatever defeats swarms of newbies with 5 million insta-SP. And then you’ll be back, saying what EVE and newbies _really_ need is 10 million insta-SP and a free Paladin to start with… The only actually useful notion in your post is about getting newbies into fleets and group fights quickly, especially ones that generate losses against other players - especially if sponsored/led by vets. Then they’d have excitement, social connection, someone to explain those all-important early ship losses and how to get back in the saddle afterwards. That would indeed help retention. Falling prey to dazzling cleaverage and shilling for the nullblobs won’t. ---
**Author:** ![Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keginu_nelir_shimaya/32/355594_2.png) [@Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keginu_Nelir_Shimaya)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/39 "2022-12-18T12:57:24Z")
not true, my goal is to kick every player out of the game and then Americans pay for my home run… ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/40 "2022-12-18T13:20:38Z")
“The only way to play is to rush into null sec two days into the game and become a clone soldier, being yelled at and told what to do. All while grinding and grinding and grinding to _try_ and catch up with folks way ahead of you in SP who are telling you what to fly and what to do, while not really having a clue on what you’re doing, what other play styles actually exist and if you would perhaps like those more or not”. ![JesusFckingChrist](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/a/3/3a3da9c010538528d081aa33bb88a038a4220c55.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keginu_nelir_shimaya/32/355594_2.png) [@Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keginu_Nelir_Shimaya)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/41 "2022-12-18T13:34:20Z")
just turn off slow motion and eve is reduced to a street fighter… and due to the fact that phlegmatic egoists like Marcy Warton annoy me, I turn off slow motion forever… please keep all the playstyles out of there… or feed their stories to someone who will believe you… ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/42 "2022-12-18T13:49:02Z")
I dunno, it’s hard to imagine newbies **not** being captivated by this retention plan: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/e/cea59be9f9c45c4ab6de3e4e9b93632fe3aabf9d.jpeg "This is REALLY EvE") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmS9vcVNr5A) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549.md?page=3)