# EVE skills STILL take too long to train (Sponsored Streamer Reaction) **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 18, 2022, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549 "2022-12-18T01:11:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keginu_nelir_shimaya/32/355594_2.png) [@Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keginu_Nelir_Shimaya)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/43 "2022-12-18T13:55:35Z")
EVE is highly violent experimentation on people, against their will and despite repeated attempts to resist… I despise you trash! ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/44 "2022-12-18T13:58:32Z")
That toxic alliance ■■■■ filled with spergs and problematics, together with telling newbies to optimize the fck out of everything (which generally means they can’t do anything at all until their skill plan is “ready” and they’re not supposed to deviate from it) results in a whole lot of newbies dropping out. Perhaps not in the first 2 days but certainly a few weeks in. ---
**Author:** ![Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keginu_nelir_shimaya/32/355594_2.png) [@Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keginu_Nelir_Shimaya)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/45 "2022-12-18T14:03:13Z")
the development curve in eve has always been damn steep, and you should remember that I still ride it and throw everyone off it… ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/46 "2022-12-18T14:10:28Z")
@Elzon1 Every brand new player in our alliance has more isk, ships, and skill books thrown at them than they know what to do with. Almost every day has alliance sponsored training fleets with free ship handouts for mining, exploring, ratting, and basic pvp. Every single fleet has ship options that brand new players can fly day 1. What the hell are you talking about? What crap alliance are you in? ---
**Author:** ![Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keginu_nelir_shimaya/32/355594_2.png) [@Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keginu_Nelir_Shimaya)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/47 "2022-12-18T14:16:38Z")
Everyone in your alliance spends millions of isks to finally be killed by me. Everyone in your alliance is an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/48 "2022-12-18T14:25:52Z")
Millions of isk? Oh man, I hope we can keep that kind of expenditure up. ---
**Author:** ![Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keginu_nelir_shimaya/32/355594_2.png) [@Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keginu_Nelir_Shimaya)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/49 "2022-12-18T14:30:52Z")
Wisely, it’s better to spend less to get killed. ---
**Author:** ![Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keara_the_reaver/32/344828_2.png) [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keara_the_Reaver)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/50 "2022-12-18T14:37:06Z")
At what point does a noobie become a regular EVE player? ---
**Author:** ![Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keginu_nelir_shimaya/32/355594_2.png) [@Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keginu_Nelir_Shimaya)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/51 "2022-12-18T14:38:39Z")
When you find the “Aurora point”. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/52 "2022-12-18T14:58:04Z")
It’s funny becuase what they teach the new bro’s isn’t even optimized lol, just hard to ■■■■ up type of stuff that sort of works. (low input decent result kind of f1 stuff.) Like a new bro in a 3 damp maulus that trains for 3 days can do so much in a fight its absolutely crazy. > [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](#): > > At what point does a noobie become a regular EVE player? When the game feels natural to them tbh so different for everyone, I would say between 2 weeks and a few months if I’m being generic. ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/53 "2022-12-18T15:04:19Z")
Lol with all the skill injectors, login sp, cerebral accelerators, daily task sp, implants, and on and on there are so many ways to massively accelerate your training that training can be meaningless if you want it to be. Plus these you can get for isk or cash. You can have a super pilot on day one if you want to skip the training. You can also for cheap isk still do a decent amount of acceleration. Really it has become way too easy to get sp these days. No need to cave even further to some crybaby streamer. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/54 "2022-12-18T15:05:30Z")
Not to mention actually buying characters is by far the cheapest way to get tons of sp, but then you end up with some spaz character names who have corp history in goons or snuff or something. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/55 "2022-12-18T15:09:24Z")
@Keginu_Nelir_Shimaya I knew looking you up in game was a waste of time before I even did it, but I still tried. And that’s on me. I should have suspected you were another guy with a super secret pvp main that kills everyone but nobody knows them because they go to a different school. ---
**Author:** ![Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keginu_nelir_shimaya/32/355594_2.png) [@Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keginu_Nelir_Shimaya)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/56 "2022-12-18T15:10:26Z")
Never watched any streamer. Personally, I consider it a waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/57 "2022-12-18T15:12:25Z")
It depends who you watch tbh some of them give you secrets that will take 50x longer to figure out on your own. Like DaeDraah DeaDwooD streamed this once: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/c/a/3ca53e5523ab665e68e9f76207353b39830ae193.jpeg "EVE ONLINE : Manul Piloting Basics Stream") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86s_iJYDS_Q) Absolute gold if every eve player watched it the avg player skill would double or triple. When learning Age of empires 2 I used to watch Hera streams and it pushed my skill’s way higher way faster I would say watching the correct streamer ends up saving you time instead of wasting it. ---
**Author:** ![Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keara_the_reaver/32/344828_2.png) [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keara_the_Reaver)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/58 "2022-12-18T15:14:49Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > When the game feels natural to them tbh so different for everyone, I would say between 2 weeks and a few months if I’m being generic. Thanks for answering my question. I would think 2 weeks is too short. A few months maybe, certainly not before most of a year’s time. There are a few things that would tell one isn’t a noob anymore, like being able to choose a corporation to join instead of being solicitated. I saw a few corporations that I would’ve liked to join but noobies aren’t accepted by virtue of their low skills. I’m not saying I can’t wait until 13-days skills finish training, that has no importance to me. I’m more curious about things than I want to change them. ---
**Author:** ![Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keginu_nelir_shimaya/32/355594_2.png) [@Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keginu_Nelir_Shimaya)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/59 "2022-12-18T15:16:21Z")
I just watched the entire movie, and I’m sad to say that I didn’t learn anything from this movie that I didn’t already know. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/60 "2022-12-18T15:18:16Z")
How long have you been playing the game thou? ---
**Author:** ![Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keginu_nelir_shimaya/32/355594_2.png) [@Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keginu_Nelir_Shimaya)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/61 "2022-12-18T15:19:43Z")
not your business ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549/62 "2022-12-18T15:21:07Z")
“please forgive me, but for someone like me, who has been left to himself since the earliest years, separated himself from everything, getting into a multi-generational gaming world, based on strict, restrictive and highly mechanized dependencies, this place seems to me an extremely difficult environ…” Seems you are a very old Eve player I’m guessing 2003 or 2005 ish. But if you have been playing the game 15 years then obviously you are not going to learn something titled basic’s, although maybe some people that have played for 15 years still spam approach. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-skills-still-take-too-long-to-train-sponsored-streamer-reaction/388549.md?page=4)