# EVE will always be a nichè Game **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 8, 2021, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186 "2021-03-08T08:43:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/142 "2021-03-20T14:35:30Z")
Also Jita is the best place for a base if you hunt trigs. Just an advice for solo new guys out there who would probably never do it. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/143 "2021-03-20T14:37:35Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Made me think, I’ve spent the last mo in Gallente space doing standings repair and I have yet to even see a trig ship. I’ve spent many many _many_ hours mining in HiSec (30b worth of mining) when moon mining went live in HiSec… and I think Trigs jumped on my fleet maybe 3-4x? And I made short work of them with T1 drones on Procurers. Haven’t seen a Trig in a long while. I really don’t get the whining. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/144 "2021-03-20T14:40:26Z")
Just because you havent seen something, doesnt mean it doesnt exist. The zkill reports are not showing every trig kill also, you should know it. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/145 "2021-03-20T14:43:32Z")
Well if they were so common as to be a major enough problem that you’d make the serious argument that EVE is harder for newbies today then ever - despite at least a _dozen_ changes that make the game easier for newbies pointed out to you - you’d think we would have encountered them. At the very least, you have a pretty big burden of proof to satisfy, and thus far you haven’t. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/146 "2021-03-20T14:46:43Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Just because you havent seen something, doesnt mean it doesnt exist. We all know it exists. And for a true new player, getting hit by one is like stepping on a land mine. But I don’t see any complaints on the forums anymore and I “think” ccp toned them down some. We know it happens, I just don’t think it happens enough anymore to be a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/147 "2021-03-20T15:13:07Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > I don’t see any complaints on the forums anymore In forums? You can hardly find a link on EVE page to forum these days. Feedback is rather shared in rookie help channel. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/148 "2021-03-20T15:19:26Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Feedback is rather shared in rookie help channel. And you’ve collected and collated this data to back up your claims, yes? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/149 "2021-03-20T15:28:38Z")
I didnt wrote that, but it is more visible to new players than EVE forums. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/150 "2021-03-20T15:30:11Z")
Okay, so you really have nothing to support your assertion that, :because Triglavians:, EVE Online is harder for newbies than ever. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/151 "2021-03-20T15:33:53Z")
Well, if you really want proof, you may go to Jita and spend them few days warping around it. If you still log in even. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/152 "2021-03-20T15:35:38Z")
So I have to hang out _for days_ before encounter a Triglavian that _may or may not_ scram me? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/153 "2021-03-20T15:36:38Z")
1 day even if you dont go blindly. Just check the EDI trig tracker. Its pretty poor, but sufficient to see where ttrigs may be right now, like 50% or so. [https://edencom.space/tracker.php](https://edencom.space/tracker.php) ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/154 "2021-03-20T15:37:50Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > 1 day even if you dont go blindly. Just check the EDI trig tracker. Its pretty poor, but sufficient to see where ttrigs may be right now, like 50% or so. Sorry I’m a new player. I don’t have access to this “_by default_”. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/155 "2021-03-20T15:40:41Z")
You go there and see for yourself. Trigs are waiting. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/156 "2021-03-20T15:42:31Z")
Doesn’t seem very active. “Added 6 hours ago”, “added 11 hours ago” - are you sure this is a problem? There’s a few Jspace and LowSec systems. . . ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/157 "2021-03-20T15:48:09Z")
Data is pulled from zkill, but it isnt accurate, because the kills are not showing most of the time there. The most sure way is to see for yourself. This is what zkill shows, but its not everything: [Triglavian Entities | Group | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/group/4028/) ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/158 "2021-03-20T15:49:23Z")
So what I’m hearing is: - EVE Online is harder for newbies than ever - Because Trigs - No data to support this ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/159 "2021-03-20T15:51:51Z")
Whatever, I see you see what you want to see. If you would really want to know something about trigs, you would know by now. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/160 "2021-03-20T15:55:10Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > I see you see what you want to see. Just like how you ignored over a dozen points that were raised…? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-will-always-be-a-niche-game/299186/161 "2021-03-20T15:56:41Z")
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