# \[Event\] The way forward

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097>\
**Category:** Intergalactic Summit\
**Created:** [October 22, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097 "2019-10-22T19:00:26Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/61 "2019-10-26T22:27:44Z")

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Spectacular event, Elsebeth. Thank you.

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**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/62 "2019-10-26T22:29:00Z")

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Nobody died. I’d mark that down as a success.

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**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/63 "2019-10-26T22:41:18Z")

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I’d like to thank everyone who asked good, solid questions about things tonight. There was a lot of thoughtful opinions offered, and I hope people can express more in the future.

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**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/64 "2019-10-26T22:53:56Z")

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Thanks for the almost 30 people who could show up on this short notice. I heard things I needed to hear and I feel I have a better understanding of the common ground and differences we have, making re-entry to the Republic space if not exactly easier, then at least, well, more informed.

I will post some of my own remarks tomorrow. Right now I am _beat_.

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**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/65 "2019-10-26T23:08:16Z")

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Well, nothing got decided (this is a misconception a number of people apparently got), and I didn’t rightly expect any agreements to form either.

Was nice to see so many people make the effort to come to the place in person. Would have been nice if some of those people would also respect traditions they claim to fight for.

I am similarly mentally exhausted, maybe I can get something more coherent out after some rest.

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**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/66 "2019-10-26T23:11:52Z")

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Great event, I’m glad I could attend.

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**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/67 "2019-10-26T23:22:32Z")

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Ushra’Khan were very rude.

The rest was fine.

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**Author:** ![Rinai\_Vero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rinai_vero/32/390870_2.png) [@Rinai\_Vero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rinai_Vero)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2019, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/68 "2019-10-26T23:22:58Z")

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I’m glad I was able to attend. There is certainly much to consider.

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**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/69 "2019-10-27T02:28:53Z")

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> [@Kalaratiri](#):
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> Ushra’Khan were very rude.

Well, they were getting bombarded with questions, not that I added to that…

😏

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**Author:** ![zoolkhan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoolkhan/32/443785_2.png) [@zoolkhan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zoolkhan)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 5:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/70 "2019-10-27T05:02:39Z")

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We were on our best behaviour, not many people whom have seen us rude still have the body from that day to tell the tale. I have not even hit anyone. What do you want ladies

zoolkhan

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**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 5:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/71 "2019-10-27T05:41:12Z")

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> [@Kalaratiri](#):
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> Ushra’Khan were very rude.

Well Harkon’s not much of an Angel fan, and who can blame him?

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**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 5:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/72 "2019-10-27T05:57:10Z")

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> [@Teinyhr](#):
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> Well, nothing got decided (this is a misconception a number of people apparently got), and I didn’t rightly expect any agreements to form either.

This is true.

To be clear, again, I did not and I _will_ not participate in gatherings like that to decide on a plan, to enforce a stance, or to stage a debate that can we “won”. Such things happen best in private. Big gatherings are for hearing and sharing. Then we take what we’ve learned, and we use it elsewhere.

To decide wisely one must know what people think, but decisions are still made in the councils and by the chiefs and commanders they belong to.

During to moot, several questions of “woud we willing to consider doing…” were asked (and answered). These were not plans yet, though; they were ideas (and information on what _is possible_). I appreciate everyone who put forward something to consider.

There is no general Minmatar capsuleer council or coalition and as far as EM is considered, there _will not be_. We hear and share, but we make our own decisions. I am pretty sure U’K thinks the same way.

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**Author:** ![Literia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/literia/32/491152_2.png) [@Literia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Literia)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/73 "2019-10-27T06:17:22Z")

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Elsebeth,

Perhaps we could arrange a time for you to bring me up to speed of what was discussed, it was unfortunate but I couldnt make it. Really wanted to be there.

Lit

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**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/74 "2019-10-27T06:19:16Z")

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Feel free to send me a private line any time I’m connected (that goes for everyone else too). I have precious little time for face-to-face meetings, I’m afraid.

There will probably be more of these gatherings, too.

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**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 6:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/75 "2019-10-27T06:59:45Z")

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> [@zoolkhan](#):
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> What do you want ladies

Alright. Ok, I’ll just come right out and say it:

Sure, there was booze, but nobody offered us drugs. Nuffin’. Not even a drag on a roach. S’all I’m sayin’. 😉

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**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/76 "2019-10-27T07:17:23Z")

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> [@zoolkhan](#):
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> We were on our best behaviour, not many people whom have seen us rude still have the body from that day to tell the tale. I have not even hit anyone. What do you want ladies

If that was your best behaviour, then that is pretty sad. Half the U’K members were drunk off their arses before the moot even started and once underway, couldn’t even respect the _concept_ of turns to speak let alone _traditions_. Not that you were the only ones having problems with that, mind you, but by far the worst offenders.

So, what do I want? If you plan to attend in the future, don’t drink yourself comatose, and try to act like decent human beings at least for a couple of hours.

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**Author:** ![Sviruah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sviruah/32/286040_2.png) [@Sviruah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sviruah)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/77 "2019-10-27T07:33:31Z")

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My thanks to Pol Macslieb and the Heska Clan for their sense of hospitality.  
The organization of such a meeting, and dealing with the strong and/or vocal opinions here and there, is no small feat.

If my memories are correct, Lomong was expected to speak when the meeting was first announced. I was curious about her words, and hope to hear them next time.

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**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/78 "2019-10-27T07:48:31Z")

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> [@Sviruah](#):
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> If my memories are correct, Lomong was expected to speak when the meeting was first announced. I was curious about her words, and hope to hear them next time.

This is correct. Other duties kept her away, same as they kept away a lot of EM and pulled away Harkon in the end. These are the realities we live with.

There will definitely be a next time, though. And some valuable things about applying a intra-clan process to a multi-national capsuleer audience were learned…

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**Author:** ![Isha\_Vuld](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isha_vuld/32/470113_2.png) [@Isha\_Vuld](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Isha_Vuld)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/79 "2019-10-27T10:09:33Z")

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> [@Teinyhr](#):
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> So, what do I want? If you plan to attend in the future, don’t drink yourself comatose, and try to act like decent human beings at least for a couple of hours.

Then go to a Gallente Town Hall debate with other “civilized” people, don’t attend a moot.

If you can’t take the heat, get out of the tribal hall. We’re not holding tea parties.

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**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/event-the-way-forward/197097/80 "2019-10-27T10:12:05Z")

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> [@Isha\_Vuld](#):
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> Then go to a Gallente Town Hall debate with other “civilized” people, don’t attend a moot.  
> If you can’t take the heat, get out of the tribal hall. We’re not holding tea parties.

Please avoid doing this “my clan’s ways are the true Matari ways, your clan’s ways are humbug” thing.

We really, really, really do not have the time for that ■■■■■■■■ right now.

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