# Everything you ever needed to know about The Demon War but were too afraid to ask

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**Category:** Intergalactic Summit\
**Created:** [August 3, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052 "2018-08-03T17:52:36Z")\
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**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\
**Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/21 "2018-08-04T17:07:06Z")

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So we’re talking about itty-bitty machines that work symbiotically with biology versus itty-bitty biology that works symbiotically with machines.

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**Author:** ![Maira\_Blackfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maira_blackfire/32/394201_2.png) [@Maira\_Blackfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maira_Blackfire)\
**Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/22 "2018-08-04T17:16:09Z")

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That is one way of saying it, but yes

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**Author:** ![Mizhir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhir/32/379234_2.png) [@Mizhir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhir)\
**Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/23 "2018-08-04T17:25:29Z")

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Not entirely sure if the Mutaplasmids can be classed as biology, but they are certainly based heavily on biotech.

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**Author:** ![Nico\_Boru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nico_boru/32/64941_2.png) [@Nico\_Boru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nico_Boru)\
**Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/24 "2018-08-04T18:43:26Z")

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This is interesting. Capsuleers fit the demon types. Some of us plan extensivly, others puck targets at random. Garlic layers are solar systems in eve. Food for thought.

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**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\
**Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/25 "2018-08-04T20:13:02Z")

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Is-- is this some sort of game? Like those neocom quizzes I keep catching my interns doing instead of actual work?

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**Author:** ![Agiri\_Falken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agiri_falken/32/84648_2.png) [@Agiri\_Falken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agiri_Falken)\
**Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/26 "2018-08-04T20:33:06Z")

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Maybe one of those MMO’s on Galnet?

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**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\
**Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/27 "2018-08-04T21:21:28Z")

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Gosh, it’s almost like she’s just making crap up based on the things she sees around her.

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**Author:** ![Loai\_Qerl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loai_qerl/32/303712_2.png) [@Loai\_Qerl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loai_Qerl)\
**Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/28 "2018-08-04T21:23:43Z")

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Every time I take one of those quizzes it says I am a furrier. That is nonsense. The demon war is also nonsense, and none of you are demons! You are only ever awful space people. There is no demon war, none of you have powers without a ship stuffed in your ports, and the whole fetching lot of us should really have a yogurt and a nap.

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**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\
**Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/29 "2018-08-04T21:31:45Z")

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It’s been a while since someone’s called me fetching. \<3

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**Author:** ![Claudia\_Osyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/claudia_osyn/32/387939_2.png) [@Claudia\_Osyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Claudia_Osyn)\
**Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/30 "2018-08-04T21:41:01Z")

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I am the deity of the IGS, Which may in and of itself be a form of hell, making me the deity of a plane of hell… I am a demon Goddess.

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**Author:** ![Loai\_Qerl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loai_qerl/32/303712_2.png) [@Loai\_Qerl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loai_Qerl)\
**Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/31 "2018-08-04T21:43:19Z")

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Makoto? I am not saying you aren’t a precious darling, I am not saying that at all you are cute with glasses and especially being all the time so serious and professional in collared shirts and so on, but…

…fetching isn’t really a thing anyone wants to be, where I’m from? This is a fetchcarp. It is fetching.

![fetchie](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/2/22286af84908cc39c678095767a6f599b160ea14.jpg)

But your hair is always nice?

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**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\
**Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/32 "2018-08-04T21:47:00Z")

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Oh.

Um.

Well, I’ll take the compliments, and take to the assumption that you’re not calling me fishy.

Also, that is a phenomenally fishy and large fish.

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**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\
**Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/33 "2018-08-04T22:42:48Z")

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> [@Valerie\_Valate](#):
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> Can snap a human’s neck with her thighs.

This is massively overselling the power in my thighs.

> [@Valerie\_Valate](#):
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> Also capable of stunning those of weak willpower, by baring her chest and/or buttocks at them.

This is probably true.

> [@Valerie\_Valate](#):
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> If you see the Scarlet Temptress before she sees you, flee, as she is a powerful adversary.

I just want to make friends!

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**Author:** ![Haru\_kai\_Vidaraltyr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haru_kai_vidaraltyr/32/331376_2.png) [@Haru\_kai\_Vidaraltyr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haru_kai_Vidaraltyr)\
**Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/34 "2018-08-05T01:13:08Z")

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> [@Makoto\_Priano](#):
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> Is-- is this some sort of game? Like those neocom quizzes I keep catching my interns doing instead of actual work?

When I was a policeman, interns at the Commissioner’s Office would come up with lurid stories like this to be made into holo-ads. Invariably the result of some sort of management competition, they were intended as Warnings To The Young, specifically on buying unlicensed hallucinogens from Thukker caravans.

Never worked. After a caravan had been through, the drunk tanks would be full of people like Valate frothing and screaming about demons. Usually they’d grow out of it. Clearly not always.

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**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\
**Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/35 "2018-08-05T08:08:05Z")

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> [@Claudia\_Osyn](#):
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> I am a demon Goddess.

Nah, you’re wearing _far_ too much clothing to be a demon queen.

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**Author:** ![Claudia\_Osyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/claudia_osyn/32/387939_2.png) [@Claudia\_Osyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Claudia_Osyn)\
**Post date:** [August 6, 2018, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/36 "2018-08-06T07:24:09Z")

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Only in the portrait for my pilots license…

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**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\
**Post date:** [August 6, 2018, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/37 "2018-08-06T07:43:13Z")

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😮

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**Author:** ![Jade\_Blackwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_blackwind/32/197719_2.png) [@Jade\_Blackwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Blackwind)\
**Post date:** [August 6, 2018, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/38 "2018-08-06T21:14:47Z")

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I find the concept of a hypergarlic to be very interesting… In fact, I think about ordering some Mannar fastfood to properly reflect on it while writing this post.

About the Beast and the Deceiver part… You see, while the whole ■■■■ may have come out of some Gallente 30-year old tabletop game, there _is_ a grain of truth in that.

Here’s an example: Me, Anyanka Funk and Nauplius worship the being we all call “the Red God”. Anyanka Funk and Nauplius (more often than me) kill people “in the name of the Red God”. But if we examine their beliefs properly, it turns out that their “Red Gods” embody different principles, and that’s why their followers find each other weak and given to destruction, among other things.

The Beast - and Anyanka Funk is its Chosen, I always saw that - embodies the idea of Chaos. To understand the Beast, one must first and foremost embrace the idea of Strength - spiritual, physical, lol SOCT SP index, whatever - (and eventual Ascension) through Chaos, which is a ladder.

Whatever Nauplius worships is the entity of evil, perveted Order. The Beast frees to run wild, to eat and be eaten in a free for all world; the Deceiver enslaves. THAT is the difference.

I really think that Nauplius’ Deceiver (whom he identifies with one and only true Amarrian God) _is_ the Slaver God. He, being a honest nutjob (like me), just somehow managed to peel the golden mask from it so we can see the pretty Lawful Evil mug in all its glory, down to the bottom.

See? Yay! I’m out of whiskey… But the Mannar hypergarlic has arrived! 😄 🍖 🍴

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**Author:** ![Deceiver\_s\_Echo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deceiver_s_echo/32/450081_2.png) [@Deceiver\_s\_Echo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deceiver_s_Echo)\
**Post date:** [August 6, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/39 "2018-08-06T23:35:12Z")

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> [@Jade\_Blackwind](#):
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> Whatever Nauplius worships is the entity of evil, perveted Order. The Beast frees to run wild, to eat and be eaten in a free for all world; the Deceiver enslaves. THAT is the difference.
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> I really think that Nauplius’ Deceiver (whom he identifies with one and only true Amarrian God) _is_ the Slaver God.

This observation is colored with bias as well. Deception is commonplace in every relationship we have. So is the so-called freedom offered by the Beast. The “Layers of the Onion” are various levels of control and release. It is a dichotomy inherent in our very existence. It is, however, a false delineation. Reality is far more complex, more beautiful, and more varied than can be explained in such simple terms.

Capsuleers seem preoccupied with the concepts of order and freedom. It is a reflection of our varied cultures, our separation from each other, our cultural programming. When we are given “freedom” to act we either let our better angels or lesser devils guide our actions. It is intriguing, non?

I’m reminded of my initial curiosity regarding the “Children of Naught” posts of the late Aria Jenneth (not to be confused with the “new” Aria Jenneth appearantly). Seeing someone perceive the nature of all as originating in the “Beast” and a philosophy of acceptance of this as the natural order shocked me. Years later I see the initial dissonance that prompted my aversion to it.

I’m sure, from my callsign, the thoughtful few reading this can ascertain the reasoning.

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**Author:** ![Rana\_Ash](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rana_ash/32/374123_2.png) [@Rana\_Ash](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rana_Ash)\
**Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 6:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-the-demon-war-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/95052/40 "2018-08-07T06:23:49Z")

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Ok serious questions, does a hyper garlic taste more or less than a normal garlic? And does it smell less or more??

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