# EVEs early demise might be your fault **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 16, 2023, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863 "2023-07-16T23:05:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/1 "2023-07-16T23:05:00Z")
Whenever someone raises an issue or makes a suggestion the replies are almost always explaining how OP is wrong and how there is no problem. Whats worse is that commenters also spreads narratives that EVE is a type of game nobody is interested in playing. This behavior contributes to issues not being fixed and CCP not even trying when developing new content for the game and the early demise becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/2 "2023-07-16T23:09:49Z")
“more than 1B” could mean anything, I’d rephrase the question to get better answers. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/3 "2023-07-16T23:17:04Z")
When you first start Eve…1m seems like a lot. Then within a few weeks 100m seems like a lot. Then 1bn…10bn…and so on. I’m at the 100bn seems a lot and 10bn is about average…sort of stage. But there are those for whom 10bn is peanuts and some for whom even 100bn is not a huge amount. This char is worth about 11bn ( about 8.5bn in ships, 1.5bn in ISK, and 1bn in odds and ends ). I do not consider myself rich. ---
**Author:** ![Kitaula\_Kuusa\_Jouhinen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kitaula_kuusa_jouhinen/32/498716_2.png) [@Kitaula\_Kuusa\_Jouhinen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kitaula_Kuusa_Jouhinen)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/4 "2023-07-16T23:47:53Z")
All together, I’m around 100b, and I’d consider myself space middle class. I know how to make isk, I just don’t have a whole lot of time to devote to it and grind. I know ways to make lots of isk, but I haven’t had the opportunity to implement them yet. Ultimately, knowledge is more valuable than isk. Take three guys with zero money and give them ten million isk. The newest one buys a Venture and starts mining belts in highsec. Or he gets a hauler and tries selling ammo or cheap modules somewhere. Or tries manufacturing. The more experienced guy buys an explo frigate and starts running relic sites in Amarr space, then nullsec and wormholes. Or he gets a Venture and mines the valuable gas. Or he starts looking for easy frigate officer spawns in belts and runs low-level DEDs. Maybe he joins FW and farms. The vet sits in Jita and begs for money. Or he gets a cheap ship, kills some rogue drones, then sits on a gate with trigs to scoop loot. Or he sits in Jita and scams. Or he socially engineers his way into a corp that doesn’t know better and takes everything not nailed down when the opportunity presents itself. Or he… ect ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/5 "2023-07-16T23:54:28Z")
I know players who have a mountain of PLEX, upwards of like 66,000 which is trillions in ISK value. Buy Plex every so often, keep a low profile, train your character then come out with both six shooters blazing. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfgang_jannesen/32/496726_2.png) [@Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wolfgang_Jannesen)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/6 "2023-07-17T01:41:58Z")
The real wallet are the friends you make along the way ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/7 "2023-07-17T05:59:29Z")
1 billion isk is all it ever costs. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/8 "2023-07-17T07:00:47Z")
1B? no way, you are space rich from the moment you’re able to get at least 100B liquid isk almost immediatly, from a loan, by selling your PLEX or from your wallet. Need a loan? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/9 "2023-07-17T11:42:04Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Buy Plex every so often, keep a low profile, train your character then come out with both six shooters blazing. That’s exactly what my new Omega is doing. Lying low while I PLEX massive skills. Should be ready for some real carnage by September. ---
**Author:** ![Amarr\_Citizen\_91703144](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amarr_citizen_91703144/32/397494_2.png) [@Amarr\_Citizen\_91703144](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amarr_Citizen_91703144)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/10 "2023-07-17T12:36:19Z")
_I too am have a bun in the oven!_ ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/11 "2023-07-17T12:58:55Z")
This is what I’m worth today: ![July17](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/0/9/309e7d2959b6670694ebb4abd36240d416f00aaf.png) Do I feel rich? Not so much. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/12 "2023-07-17T13:53:12Z")
More than 1 billion what? Ships? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/13 "2023-07-17T15:27:03Z")
With 1B ISK in your wallet you could afford buying some (or many) of the cheaper ships. However, a well-fit T3 cruiser or T2 battleship is already too expensive for you, good implant sets also too expensive, and you would have to make 1B many times over to afford one of the cheaper capital ships, let alone supers. I mean, I’d be happy if my wallet increased by 1B, but it doesn’t make someone ‘rich’ in EVE. To consider someone rich, I would start a factor 1000 higher, at people who can spend a trillion ISK. The kind of people that can afford a faction titan, or AT ship collection. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/14 "2023-07-17T16:45:15Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > Do I feel rich? Not so much. You could have paid for the entire Parabellum / Finanar war 3 times over. I think that qualifies as rich. ---
**Author:** ![Yendor\_Kashada2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yendor_kashada2/32/375746_2.png) [@Yendor\_Kashada2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yendor_Kashada2)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/15 "2023-07-18T00:46:04Z")
To be fair, I’ve only ever held enough to buy a rorqual and a fleet carrier. I really didn’t do alot of isk making in my time in nullsec and didn’t have second alt for the majority of it. Lost the rorqual the 3rd day and Just didn’t have enough for enough fighters to defend myself. Maybe in another 5 years when I get past art school and get myself out of the debt hole this new covid-recession era has put us in I’ll be able to make heaps again. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/16 "2023-07-18T00:57:47Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I’m at the 100bn seems a lot I’ve been playing for 4 years now and have yet to break 5 bil mark! Imma space poor. But I still enjoy the game. Guess it goes to show that isk isn’t the end all if you don’t want it to be. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 3:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/17 "2023-07-18T03:19:32Z")
I read on here that some pilots would give away 1B if once they reach 2 billion isk… / > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Guess it goes to show that isk isn’t the end all if you don’t want it to be. I am glad that you can see the light at the end of the stargate that isk is not the end game. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/18 "2023-07-18T06:03:21Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > isk is not the end game Indeed. The end game is not ISK. > **The end game is...** > > Other people’s ISK. > > 😏 > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/3/5/0359229a6ecaab8647950e1b9fd6d5f7e30cb467.png) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/4/0/c40cfedbf93b83c26b65d0a6e4d93522022e8302.jpeg "other peoples money danny devito beggining speach") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUJTRqV7B8E) ---
**Author:** ![plazid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/plazid/32/402496_2.png) [@plazid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/plazid)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/20 "2023-07-18T14:20:17Z")
It costs almost 2B per month for Omega clone. So if you can fly a battleship for a month are you rich? I guess ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863/21 "2023-07-18T16:00:15Z")
I thought so, when I first had my wallet over 1B. 😉 [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-early-demise-might-be-your-fault/412863.md?page=2)