# Eve's War Dec Groups and who are they **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [March 22, 2022, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828 "2022-03-22T07:36:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/184 "2022-06-09T11:17:44Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > @Xuixien tldr: > > In the end, there was simply nothing we could do. We had 16 people in the system, and they had nearly 90. There’s no novel counter-play to N+1 when being forced into a station fight. > > This is the kind of game that CCP wants. We can either adapt to it, or stop playing. I’m sure that most of us are choosing to keep playing. Structures will have to be treated as disposable ammo. It’s just another way by CCP to shift costs onto small-group players (whether they’re industrial or PvP, doesn’t matter) in favor of their large null-sec and null-sec aligned lobbies (of which BF. is essentially a direct part). No I mean like Who are EVE’s WarDec groups and what are their relationships? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/185 "2022-06-09T11:18:49Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > What I did notice is that you did nothing to defend your War HQ, and that my dear Destiny is all that needs to be said. Even more stupid conjecture because you’re an absolute moron who is incapable of research and reasoning. A simple look at the kill board would show that we didn’t get any kills, so obviously any single person’s contribution wouldn’t be evident. JFC you’re so god-damn dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/186 "2022-06-09T11:20:30Z")
I don’t see a loss mail with Destiny on it, so you were likely skulking in Amarr. Cheering the troops on from behind, or well behind… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/187 "2022-06-09T11:23:37Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > Who are EVE’s WarDec groups and what are their relationships? It’s really just BF and RIOT. We don’t seem to like each other very much as far as I can tell, but I’m new to RIOT so I still don’t know much about the politics. BF is essentially the high-sec arm of certain null-sec groups, and they “make rules” that everyone else has to follow. RIOT is just a small, independent group without much in the way of politics, with a few small but reliable allies. There are a few auxiliary groups like Bully Brigate and CAPSTEXT, but they mostly just seem to go after very small groups to siege structures for cores, and to attack low-power structures. That’s pretty much it. The high-sec war scene is dead outside of that. Any small group that pops up is unable to operate for long because it’s impossible to defend the war HQ against overwhelming N+1. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/188 "2022-06-09T11:25:30Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I don’t see a loss mail with Destiny on it, so you were likely skulking in Amarr. Cheering the troops on from behind, or well behind… Because not everyone died, numb-nuts. We’re not like you, and don’t log off for a month when a scary war comes in. I actually took time off from work to make it to the defense. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/189 "2022-06-09T11:33:03Z")
If someone who is not a brown nose could confirm that Destiny was in fact there and not skulking in Amarr I would appreciate it. I have to ask because you lie so freely, for example telling me that I did not log in during your war dec is amusing. Why would I who was operating in nullsec not log in during a hisec war dec? It is logic like that which is rather amusing to read, it is Destiny logic, oh look someone in Amarr war decced me so I won’t log into the game at all, shiver shiver, tremble tremble, ROFL. You also have no real idea because I cleared all your alts out of the AG and Gank-intel channel, did you notice that? > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > BF is essentially the high-sec arm of certain null-sec groups Wat? ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/190 "2022-06-09T11:40:12Z")
He was in local there. But I need to point out by the time we entered system they had less than 20 members in system… but. There was 50 odd ships waiting for us in lowsec that we could see. On our way there, Damfam fleet basically crashed the gategamp in low with riot and friends with TFI’s. That was enough for everybody to pack their bags and the structure went uncontested. erm… also… null groups pay us. We are not an arm of them. It is easier to pay us than having to bring out defense fleets to Peri everyday. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/191 "2022-06-09T11:42:45Z")
> [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > He was in local there. Thank you, good to know. > [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > But I need to point out by the time we entered system they had less than 20 members in system. There was 50 odd ships waiting for us in lowsec that we could see. On our way there, Damfam fleet basically crashed the gategamp in low with riot and friends with TFI’s. That was enough for everybody to pack their bags and the structure went uncontested. So they broke up the ambush meant for you. Thanks for detailing this. > [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > erm… also… null groups pay us. We are not an arm of them. It is easier to pay us than having to bring out defense fleets to Peri. That was my understanding, merely stating that will make Destiny’s head explode… ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/192 "2022-06-09T11:43:47Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > That’s pretty much it. The high-sec war scene is dead outside of that. Any small group that pops up is unable to operate for long because it’s impossible to defend the war HQ against overwhelming N+1. A better solution, IMO, to the “problem” of WarDecs, is that any group which holds structures can be WarDec’d by any other group, regardless of whether those groups have their own structures. I have found the whole “WarHQ” thing to be cumbersome and anti-content. I think the proof is in the fact that, after the changes were implemented, WarDecs pretty much died off. Nothing will really change for the defenders… they could still put their structures in 1 man holding corps and just let them die so all those ~~3 year old carebears~~ “newbros” can be safe from war targets. Or they could decide “we’ve had enough of this” and enter the war as allies to their own alt corp. But at least it would let the little fish do little fish things without worrying about NullSec bros, _once again_, meddling in HiSec ecology (with no real counterplay from HiSec). ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/193 "2022-06-09T11:44:38Z")
> [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > erm… also… null groups pay us. We are not an arm of them. A distinction without a difference. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/194 "2022-06-09T11:45:16Z")
One of the issues is that at the same time they made RR a criminal offense, this resulted in defenders that relied on allies having no way to contest with a proper fleet. If they had left with suspect I think it would have been a lot better. > [@Xuixien](#): > > A distinction without a difference. Seriously wrong. ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/195 "2022-06-09T11:45:32Z")
I also need to point out. We only go after smaller wardeccers WarHQ is they decide to give us the middle finger when we ask them to retract a war from a defense contract. When they are rude on the forums… like Destiny is. Or see them in JITA/Caldari space camping. RIOT got wardec because they have members that refuse to stay away from JITA. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/196 "2022-06-09T11:46:45Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > > [@Xuixien](#): > > > > A distinction without a difference. > > Seriously wrong. Nopers. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/197 "2022-06-09T11:47:06Z")
[quote=“Xuixien, post:196, topic:354828, full:true, username:Xuixien”] > [@Dracvlad](#): > > > [@Xuixien](#): > > > > > A distinction without a difference. > > > [/quote] > > > > > > Seriously wrong. > > Nopers. Yeppers ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/198 "2022-06-09T11:47:28Z")
And back on mute you go. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/199 "2022-06-09T11:47:41Z")
Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/200 "2022-06-09T11:47:45Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > If someone who is not a brown nose could confirm that Destiny was in fact there and not skulking in Amarr I would appreciate it. Here you go dum-dum: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/0/3/703edfef6754b7cfe11e6de746db1d3cf3a9bdcb.jpeg) I’m probably the reason why not _everyone_ died. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Why would I who was operating in nullsec not log in during a hisec war dec? It is logic like that which is rather amusing to read, it is Destiny logic, oh look someone in Amarr war decced me so I won’t log into the game at all, shiver shiver, tremble tremble, ROFL. Because you _didn’t_. There was an observer near your cruddy hovel, and some forum members volunteered to run locator agents on you. You logged in like _twice,_ probably just to claim your reward queues. Why? I don’t know, but if I had to guess, it’s because it doesn’t matter where you die during a war, because the war record would still show your death, and you were doing everything possible to avoid that possibility. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You also have no real idea because I cleared all your alts out of the AG and Gank-intel channel, did you notice that? I’ve never been in those channels, and don’t even know what they’re called. I’m simply not interested in the low level drama, and reading your drivel in person sounds worse than torture. > [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > But I need to point out by the time we entered system they had less than 20 members in system… but. There was 50 odd ships waiting for us in lowsec that we could see. No, we had 16 in fleet the entire time. And allies also brought a few Nagas (way before you showed up). > [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > erm… also… null groups pay us. We are not an arm of them. It is easier to pay us than having to bring out defense fleets to Peri everyday. It goes quite a bit deeper than that, but I can understand why you wouldn’t want to tell people. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/201 "2022-06-09T11:49:26Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > It goes quite a bit deeper than that, but I can understand why you wouldn’t want to tell people. I mean there’s really no difference between an arm of Null and a paid arm of Null. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/202 "2022-06-09T11:50:42Z")
> [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > I also need to point out. > > We only go after smaller wardeccers WarHQ is they decide to give us the middle finger when we ask them to retract a war from a defense contract. When they are rude on the forums… like Destiny is. Or see them in JITA/Caldari space camping. > > RIOT got wardec because they have members that refuse to stay away from JITA. What’s with the low-key threat, lmao? You want to control people’s forum-posting too now? No RIOT member “refused to stay away from Jita.” Some new guy didn’t get the memo and killed like a frigate, and you’re using this as pretense. But you don’t _need_ pretense. You can just say “we’re going to destroy you just because we can” and then do it. Using pretense actually makes you seem weaker. ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2022, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828/203 "2022-06-09T11:52:19Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > What’s with the low-key threat, lmao? You want to control people’s forum-posting too now? Well in the past, when people talked crap on the forums with their ingame chars I would normally respond with… “Why Hello There OP” back when I still had my Cannibal Kane char. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eves-war-dec-groups-and-who-are-they/354828.md?page=11)