# Evolving EVE: A Universal Income **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 18, 2020, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731 "2020-12-18T00:39:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/21 "2020-12-18T07:44:39Z")
Some people cant make do and mend. That attitude needs tidied up first. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 7:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/22 "2020-12-18T07:47:05Z")
Oh, btw. This might be on-topic. [The Great Reset | World Economic Forum (weforum.org)](https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/) In ten years (ha, far less) you will own _nothing_ … … and they claim you’ll be happy … … and all it costs is your complete privacy. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/23 "2020-12-18T07:50:23Z")
Sounds like a bargain tbh ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/24 "2020-12-18T07:52:50Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Universal Income is bad for character development … > … and I am talking about _personality_\*\*, not your in-game character … A universal income, in itself, isn’t enough for a person to live on. It only acts as a supplement to raise the baseline quality of life. Someone earning a universal income, and having no other income, would literally only have enough to physically stay alive, that’s it. Anything more wouldn’t be a universal income, but rather welfare. What I’m considering in EVE would also only act to raise the baseline quality of life of the poorest players. It wouldn’t be enough to buy decent stuff, by itself. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > In ten years (ha, far less) you will own _nothing_ … > … and they claim you’ll be happy … > … and all it costs is your complete privacy. It’s okay, when the revolution comes, I’ll be perfectly content with merely _renting_ the bullets. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/26 "2020-12-18T08:02:33Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Former generations know and knew how bad this idea actually is. Historical evidence suggests otherwise. Privacy is just a smokescreen people use to conceal their failings from others. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/28 "2020-12-18T08:09:33Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Historical evidence will tell you that the people of Nazi germany got raised and conditioned into spying on their neighbours … > … and reporting them for any doings going against the Nazi line of thought. This includes _politically correct_ behaviour too. Therefore previous generations _didnt know_ “how bad an idea is was” because _they did it._ > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > everyone’s _chipped_ because “it’s your digital ID and wallet, super convinient, plus it confirms if you’re vaccinated or not.” So what? Whats the problem? You havent been specific. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/30 "2020-12-18T08:11:12Z")
So therefore they didnt know. Your english isnt this bad, come on. Did you take a big gulp of Raging Boomer juice when you woke up? ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/31 "2020-12-18T08:11:29Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > poor player Poor player can afford $5 worth of plex. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/32 "2020-12-18T08:12:58Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > So therefore they didnt know If we stupidly ignore the decades in which everyone knew how bad of an idea it was … … yes, then you’d be right. But if you wish to pretend all these people don’t exist … go ahead. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/33 "2020-12-18T08:14:24Z")
I’m deleting my posts, otherwise I’m just going to get this thread locked. I suggest you do the same. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/34 "2020-12-18T08:15:28Z")
You said generation"s" before. So given theres been two generations after the war, not including Stalinist Russia and Atomic America where the same thing happened inbetween, you are incorrect saying previous generations knew, when they did it anyway. And continue to. And did it before the war too. And you are being assumptive that its in itself bad ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/36 "2020-12-18T08:18:30Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Universal Income combined with a continuous influx of new people will inevitably and constantly raise the prices of everything … > … meaning everyone has to get more and more money, which makes everything more expensive. > > It’s not only not sustainable, it’s a guaranteed path to self destruction. I believe the math disagrees. If the universal income inflates currency by 1-2% total, logic dictates that price indices would _at most_ rise by the same amount (unless there’s some extremely weird compounding going on, which means the underlying economy is flawed/sick). Let’s go even further, in _your_ argument’s favor, and say that the price hikes would be uneven, with the low-end rising more than the high-end, which makes sense, as low-income earners tend to consume low-end goods. Even if the low-end gets bumped up by, say, a _very unlikely_ 10%, then a huge swath of the lowest earners would still be better off with a universal income, as the 10M ISK or whatever they would get would considerably exceed the 10% increase in market prices. A person earning 100M ISK per day would break even, and anyone making more than that would lose out in this scenario. But anyone making considerably more than 100M per day would hardly feel the impact of a 10% increase in market prices. And if the increase in prices is closer to the increase in monetary inflation, then even players earning a few hundred million ISK per day would still be breaking even with a universal income. So I don’t believe that a universal income would have a tangible effect on prices; its overall economic impact is simply too low. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/38 "2020-12-18T08:20:33Z")
Its bad your feelies got hurt, yes. But they were unable to make you comply, so who cares? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/39 "2020-12-18T08:21:33Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > That’s _nonsense_. > You want to give _everyone_ money! > > _Everyone!_ Yes, but not very much of it. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/40 "2020-12-18T08:22:27Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > so who cares? It’s _not_ about my feelings. I do _feel_ like you don’t get the point, though. When you were living with the Nazis, you _had_ to comply. It doesn’t matter if I don’t follow the Nazi-line when there’s no actual consequences for that. In China, as real life example, people with too low of a Social Score aren’t even allowed to do certain things anymore! You _have_ to fall in line, _or else!_ ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/41 "2020-12-18T08:23:34Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > When you were living with the Nazis, you _had_ to comply. Several nations and many thousands of Resistance fighters disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/42 "2020-12-18T08:24:16Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > I didn’t fall into their Nazi line of thought. That’s kind of ironic coming from someone that calls anyone whose opinions he doesn’t like a fascist. It’s hard to take you seriously. You are either a master troll or incredibly stupid. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/43 "2020-12-18T08:25:14Z")
Okay so how do you handle people creating more and more characters as a way of gaining income? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/44 "2020-12-18T08:26:02Z")
Did you not read my posts? Omegas only. Obviously limited to one per subscription, similar to the reward queue. I’m thinking multi-character training would open up additional universal income lines though. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/46 "2020-12-18T08:29:25Z")
Fine. Why not have it. I’m going to clean up my posts so you can keep having your thread. I need to go shopping now anyway. @Ramona_McCandless I can’t tell you what to do, but I still suggest you do the same. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731.md?page=3)