# Evolving EVE: A Universal Income **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 18, 2020, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731 "2020-12-18T00:39:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/47 "2020-12-18T08:31:52Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Fine. Why not have it. Keep in mind this is just a discussion about the merits of the idea, and not a proposal. People might end up making good arguments for why this shouldn’t be done, or wouldn’t work. But for now, most of the negativity has been mere incredulity, so I’ve played devil’s advocate in favor of the idea. That could quickly change. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/48 "2020-12-18T08:32:46Z")
If you mean never let anyone tell me what to do, Im way ahead of yah. But I also know it is the unwise ant who screams at a mountain to move. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/49 "2020-12-18T08:32:52Z")
Nono … … we definitely should have this. But for everyone, especially Alphas. There will be plenty of people demanding it for them, because we need to think of our new players and how they stay behind. ---
**Author:** ![Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brewlar_kuvakei/32/422694_2.png) [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brewlar_Kuvakei)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/50 "2020-12-18T08:33:36Z")
Eve allready has a universal income, it is called alpha account. So the poors either irl or ingame are not left in the cold. I had a cool conversation with a dev who told me concerning casual players, their in game wealth tends to trend to irl wealth when you exclude botters & pay to win whales. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/51 "2020-12-18T08:34:33Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > But I also know it is the unwise ant who screams at a mountain to move. I’m not doing that. I’m screaming at my fellow ants, but they’re not listening. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/52 "2020-12-18T08:36:08Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Nono … > … we definitely should have this. > > But for everyone, especially Alphas. > There will be plenty of people demanding it for them, > because we need to think of our new players and how they stay behind. Come on, that’s a classic appeal to emotion. You know better than that, Sol. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/53 "2020-12-18T08:42:48Z")
“Raising quality of life” in context of _poor people_ is just as much. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/54 "2020-12-18T08:46:59Z")
> [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](#): > > Eve allready has a universal income, it is called alpha account. So the poors either irl or ingame are not left in the cold. Really? I’d argue that Alpha is actually the _opposite_ of a universal income. In fact, Alpha has all the signs of acting as a tool of economic systemic repression. Alpha gives players just a little taste, instead of the full meal. Instead of acting as a launching point for self-improvement, it traps players into a cycle of bottom-feeding that’s nearly impossible to break out of. It’s like giving a homeless person just enough to buy a sandwich, and not enough to get some semblance of shelter, clothing, and training to be able to find a decent job. If we’re going to be making such real-life parallels, then creating an Alpha state for the purpose of allowing poor people to play EVE is downright _psychopathic_, as those people would benefit much more from a _lack_ of such a distraction so as to be better able to focus on improving their immediate real-life circumstances. I shudder to think that this is the case, as opposed to Alpha acting to serve as a demo for people to try out the game to see if they like it, before committing to a purchase. ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/55 "2020-12-18T08:56:13Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Alpha Alpha that uses a rattlesnake with tech 2 or faction modules for ratting isn’t eating a sandwich. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brewlar_kuvakei/32/422694_2.png) [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brewlar_Kuvakei)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/56 "2020-12-18T08:57:21Z")
Breaking out of alpha is far from immposible and can be done in a weekend without SP or other accounts or in game connections. With an alpha account I am able to make several billion over a weekend then Omega it. Game knowledge\>connections\>wealth\>SP. Arguably connections to ccp or use of bots is the greatest asset you can have to be super wealthy in eve. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/57 "2020-12-18T09:00:19Z")
Such ability is far from universal, as if it had been, then PLEX (and everything else) would be _astronomically_ more expensive. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/58 "2020-12-18T09:04:59Z")
`> Grind a few extra workhours IRL` `> Buy PLEX for $$$` `> Sell PLEX for ISK` `> ...` `> Universal monthly in-game income for you` 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brewlar_kuvakei/32/422694_2.png) [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brewlar_Kuvakei)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/59 "2020-12-18T09:05:33Z")
Not all men are equal, hoorah you can rip up your cookie cut liberal university degree. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/60 "2020-12-18T09:06:44Z")
Not really sure what that adds to the discussion, but, uh, okay, I guess? ---
**Author:** ![you\_are\_evil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/you_are_evil/32/246754_2.png) [@you\_are\_evil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/you_are_evil)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/61 "2020-12-18T09:20:31Z")
Instead of universal income, why not simply offer one box per day with one of the following options: civilian explorer fitted shiff civilian miner ship civilian mission lvl2 ship civilian pvp ship This way you don’t have free ISK, but still the possibility to “restart”. Or as Archer wrote, just buff the corvette. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/62 "2020-12-18T09:42:11Z")
> [@you\_are\_evil](#): > > Or as Archer wrote, just buff the corvette. I agree with this. They’re horribly underpowered. ---
**Author:** ![MajorBean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/majorbean/32/382916_2.png) [@MajorBean](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MajorBean)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/63 "2020-12-18T10:28:33Z")
> [@Elenahina](#): > > Seriously, making money in this game is so ludicrously easy that if you’re struggling to “make ends meet” so to speak, you’re definitely doing it wrong. > > Very wrong. Can confirm this. Jita ISK Printer goes BRRRR haha ---
**Author:** ![Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brewlar_kuvakei/32/422694_2.png) [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brewlar_Kuvakei)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/64 "2020-12-18T10:40:40Z")
Exactly this game went from corporate capitalist dystopian space game to a pay to win everybody gets to feel like a winner space communism turd hole. Basically the EU model in space, only massive austerity will fix either of these worlds. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/66 "2020-12-18T11:51:01Z")
God you talk some shite, mate. ---
**Author:** ![Ashreya\_Faraday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashreya_faraday/32/220029_2.png) [@Ashreya\_Faraday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashreya_Faraday)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/67 "2020-12-18T11:56:31Z")
> [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](#): > > Poor player can afford $5 worth of plex. Actually plenty can’t. Please don’t generalise. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731.md?page=4)