# \[Excubitoris Chapter\] Duty and Service to Amarr **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Tags:** roleplay, amarr\ **Created:** [December 1, 2021, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757 "2021-12-01T23:25:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Abigail\_Renaud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abigail_renaud/32/455957_2.png) [@Abigail\_Renaud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abigail_Renaud)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/43 "2021-12-03T04:24:37Z")
> I’ll never understand the high that some folks get by barging into a conversation they have no business in and telling virtually all parties that they’re wrong. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Mitara\_Newelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mitara_newelle/32/384431_2.png) [@Mitara\_Newelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mitara_Newelle)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/44 "2021-12-03T04:25:00Z")
You may wish to reevaluate and reexamine your assertions. ---
**Author:** ![Abigail\_Renaud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abigail_renaud/32/455957_2.png) [@Abigail\_Renaud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abigail_Renaud)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/45 "2021-12-03T04:25:15Z")
I’m good ---
**Author:** ![Mitara\_Newelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mitara_newelle/32/384431_2.png) [@Mitara\_Newelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mitara_Newelle)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/46 "2021-12-03T04:26:38Z")
Suit yourself being wholly wrong. I tried. ---
**Author:** ![Abigail\_Renaud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abigail_renaud/32/455957_2.png) [@Abigail\_Renaud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abigail_Renaud)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/47 "2021-12-03T04:27:11Z")
did you tho ---
**Author:** ![Joel\_Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/joel_robert/32/500342_2.png) [@Joel\_Robert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Joel_Robert)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 4:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/48 "2021-12-03T04:47:22Z")
I hardly believe this is what our Empress, let alone our people wants of us. Squabbling, bickering? Read scripture and submit to the glory of God, I beg of you, before you lose yourselves in your egos entirely! This is not a good look for the Empire. “Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens.” - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 71:21 ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/49 "2021-12-03T06:57:44Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > Why in the name of Junip would I answer this? Because it’s not like it’s a secret so you might as well. (You won’t succeed.) ---
**Author:** ![Mitara\_Newelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mitara_newelle/32/384431_2.png) [@Mitara\_Newelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mitara_Newelle)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 9:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/50 "2021-12-03T09:26:22Z")
> [@Abigail\_Renaud](#): > > an EDENCOM fortification You mean the Gradient , Electus Matari Astrahaus? I am not going into a history lesson about these groups. > [@Abigail\_Renaud](#): > > Lady Newelle and Lord-Consort Newelle … who were on grid You lie, I was never even there. The EM base was destroyed YC 123-11-23 01:10. My pod logs show me disconnecting YC 123.11.21 18:40 and not reconnecting until YC 123.11.24 16:38. > [@Abigail\_Renaud](#): > > Lady Newelle and Lord-Consort Newelle are traitors … pretend like it makes your actions any less heretical Neither I nor the Lord Consort, to my knowledge, have leveled such heavy accusations towards LUMEN. I vehemently disagree of their dealings with apostates and terrorists, that is plain to see, and that is the all of it. I suggest you take your own advice, Lady Renaud - petition His Grace the Lord Sarum, it is your right as his vassal. Make your case on how I or the Lord Consort have betrayed him and present these supposed heresies we have committed. I will obediently accept whatever judgement His Grace passes upon me, or alternatively, I will simply look on as you make a mockery of yourself before the Court of House Sarum. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/51 "2021-12-03T11:32:29Z")
That I will do anything in my power to nullify future threats to the Empire is indeed a given. But seriously, if it happened that I had a masterful plan to do so, then talking about such a plan here would be insane. Though you are right that any such fantasy would fail regardless of whether I talked about it. Any plan that requires the opposition to play the part you assign them for it to suceed is delusional, at best. And I would suggest to the rest of y’all that it would be great if you either ceased these endless displays of hostility and either stuck to responses to the topic (which is certainly _not_ the actions of either House Newelle or LiP) or left well enough alone, but this is the IGS so that suggestion is probably hopeless. ---
**Author:** ![Abigail\_Renaud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abigail_renaud/32/455957_2.png) [@Abigail\_Renaud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abigail_Renaud)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/52 "2021-12-03T14:20:05Z")
My apologies. Aldy and CTRLV were the ones on grid. You’re still all traitors. I don’t serve LUMEN anymore after seeing how the Directrix is content to let Gah’Matar run things however he pleases rather than actually, you know, leading. Also, this is a Galnet forum, I can yell all I want while actually filing petitions with the appropriate parties since it seems words do not have consequences for anyone now. Words, words, woooooooooooooords. ---
**Author:** ![Abigail\_Renaud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abigail_renaud/32/455957_2.png) [@Abigail\_Renaud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abigail_Renaud)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/53 "2021-12-03T14:22:09Z")
My question still stands about what you hoped to accomplish in the first place. If I’d bet on the outcome of this thread before you posted it, I would have lost money because it’s still more civil, if only by a little bit, compared to how I expected it to go when I read it. ---
**Author:** ![Axiss\_Herzlos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/axiss_herzlos/32/326734_2.png) [@Axiss\_Herzlos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Axiss_Herzlos)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/54 "2021-12-03T15:47:08Z")
Maker, I needed some drama to stay the boredom on this move op. 🍿 🥃 Thanks to all the pompous masturposters and salty warzone _mercs_ who’ve made this possible! ---
**Author:** ![Erica\_Munory](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erica_munory/32/379141_2.png) [@Erica\_Munory](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erica_Munory)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/55 "2021-12-03T15:54:14Z")
Thank you lady Renaud for pointing out the attack on the EDENCOM structure, earlier in the tread. I wasn’t aware. Well at least for some (like me) staying outside this conflict between faithful, lord Lok’ri’s essay clarifies why LUMEN would ever fleet up with rebel slaves and democracy-obsessed hedonists. It also tries to counter some accusations such as those of subordination. And I enjoyed the historical perspective! Perhaps guidance can be found in the _Pax e Kilizhi Do_: those fighting the Triglavians and those fighting the Minmatar could try to consider each other as different Capsuleer Military Circuits? They each have their own focus and command their area of operation, while all serve God, the Empress and our glorious Empire. My impression from reading these threads and talking to some of you is that this view would be acceptable to those fighting the Triglavians, but would be unpalatable for those focusing on the Minmatar as the major threat. Why is there this asymmetry? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/56 "2021-12-03T15:55:37Z")
Careful now. You’re being all reasonable and intelligent and non-frothing. This is the IGS, I dunno if that kind of attitude is allowed. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sahara\_Jackal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahara_jackal/32/296697_2.png) [@Sahara\_Jackal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahara_Jackal)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/57 "2021-12-03T16:04:37Z")
> [@Abigail\_Renaud](#): > > Lady Newelle and Lord-Consort Newelle are traitors who were on grid as Pandemic Horde and Stribog Clade engaged an EDENCOM fortification, This is your near-daily reminder that the astrahus was _not_ an “EDENCOM fortification” (hey, “fortification” seems a little strong, _“bastion,”_ anyone?) but rather an INDEPENDENT CAPSULEER UPWELL STRUCTURE. You have as much power with EDENCOM as Diana Kim has court martial authority. > [@Abigail\_Renaud](#): > > To what extent, I don’t know, but it’s [pretty clear from what Aldrith decided was totally cool to say in the Summit comms channel.](https://imgur.com/a/c3gtdaW) Gosh, look at all those supposedly “red” EM pilots marked blue to LUMEN. ---
**Author:** ![Erica\_Munory](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erica_munory/32/379141_2.png) [@Erica\_Munory](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erica_Munory)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/59 "2021-12-03T16:06:15Z")
And if that doesn’t get me banned from the IGS, the sorry state of my zkillboard will. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/60 "2021-12-03T16:07:09Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > Gosh, look at all those supposedly “red” EM pilots marked blue to LUMEN. Now _this_ is legitimately interesting indeed. Obviously, individual pilots can override corp/alliance standings on a personal level, but it’s at least _indicative_ of diplomatic shenanigans. ---
**Author:** ![Axiss\_Herzlos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/axiss_herzlos/32/326734_2.png) [@Axiss\_Herzlos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Axiss_Herzlos)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/61 "2021-12-03T16:10:24Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > This is your near-daily reminder that the astrahus was _not_ an “EDENCOM fortification” (hey, “fortification” seems a little strong, _“bastion,”_ anyone?) but rather an INDEPENDENT CAPSULEER UPWELL STRUCTURE. Sort of like how Stringbeans never actually lost any structures in Pochven, right? It’s a convenient cover! ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/62 "2021-12-03T16:14:49Z")
> [@Erica\_Munory](#): > > Perhaps guidance can be found in the _Pax e Kilizhi Do_: those fighting the Triglavians and those fighting the Minmatar could try to consider each other as different Capsuleer Military Circuits? They each have their own focus and command their area of operation, while all serve God, the Empress and our glorious Empire. The unfortunate issue from our standpoint is that LUMEN’s cooperation with Electus Matari and Phoenix Naval Systems in other areas undermines our future position in the warzone. Inevitably when they take the same coalition (minus LUMEN), including the material and expertise gained from that cooperation, and use it to fight us instead of Triglavians or pirates, LUMEN will have at least indirectly contributed to a much more difficult fight for us. Mikal may not complain about such a challenge but our objectives may suffer as a result, especially as they will combine with a renewed Ushra’khan. It is a gross lack of consideration and refusal to recognize the primary pitfall of helping your future enemies: making them stronger gives them strength to use against you. Or, in this case, making them stronger gives them strength to attack a different theater of war you have made clear signals of wishing to have nothing to do with, therefore pawning off the challenge of fighting off these newly enhanced enemies to others (us) you have no intention of helping. It is a bit upsetting when we want to weaken Electus Matari while they are standing in the way of it. ---
**Author:** ![Gah\_Matar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gah_matar/32/383620_2.png) [@Gah\_Matar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gah_Matar)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/63 "2021-12-03T16:15:40Z")
Individual _former_ pilots can indeed have had other standings. ![jCmZA5R](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/3/2/23289043632d39fcb3646d4c57653180244897a7.png) This is the official standings for LUMEN. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757.md?page=4)