# \[Excubitoris Chapter\] Duty and Service to Amarr **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Tags:** roleplay, amarr\ **Created:** [December 1, 2021, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757 "2021-12-01T23:25:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/148 "2021-12-30T07:19:33Z")
The Minmatar learned many things from Amarr. Not all of them were wrong. But, that said, a key difference is that we have treaties between Amarr Empire and Minmatar Tribes, we do _not_ have similar agreements between Amarr and Clades. If the Empress should, in her divinely guided wisdom, decide to normalise relations with the Triglavians, we would, of course, respect that decision. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/149 "2021-12-30T07:55:12Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Not that that surprises me in _him_, but… what’s it say about the people who willingly pledge to follow a hypocrite like that? I have voiced my disapproval several times to him, but he now sees no reason to give it any credence as there is no example to follow. I am only in the alliance for the contracts, ping system, and to avoid having to compete yet more for some semblance of moral authority. Do not read too much into it; it’s all ■■■■■■ anyway, but at least I do not have to kiss the toes of someone who betrayed my family and I. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/150 "2021-12-30T08:02:41Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > The Minmatar learned many things from Amarr. Not all of them were wrong. I think it might be more accurate to say _that_ lesson is one we learned from each other. > [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > I have voiced my disapproval several times to him, but he now sees no reason to give it any credence as there is no example to follow. > > I am only in the alliance for the contracts, ping system, and to avoid having to compete yet more for some semblance of moral authority. Yes, yes, rationalize it however you want. You’re still willingly committing yourself to following the orders of a hypocrite. He sees no reason to give your objections any credence simply because _he never wanted to_. And you’re smart enough to know that, even if you rationalize _that_ away, too. You held more moral authority as a member of your wife’s corporation than you do licking those boots. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 8:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/151 "2021-12-30T08:03:56Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > Do not read too much into it; it’s all ■■■■■■ anyway, but at least I do not have to kiss the toes of someone who betrayed my family and I. And like always, with you, it is always personal. Your honor, your pride, your _feelings_. Your inability to set personal aside for higher duty has cost you more than you probably will ever understand. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/152 "2021-12-30T08:06:14Z")
I do plenty of that, but I have my limits. If one pushes that limit, I will push back. Hard. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/153 "2021-12-30T08:07:33Z")
And, like I said, it has cost you more than you probably will ever understand. Not that I should complain. Fate and Luck. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/154 "2021-12-30T08:30:33Z")
Actions have consequences, and my Duty going forward lies in imposing them. ---
**Author:** ![Utari\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utari_onzo/32/378493_2.png) [@Utari\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Utari_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/155 "2021-12-31T19:24:00Z")
> Despite this, Triglavian forces continue to mount raids across New Eden, with EDENCOM Command and the **core empires** pursuing a policy of deadly force response, containment, and aggressive counter-raiding against Triglavian-held systems It seems the Empires agree the war is not over and EDENCOM is far from defunct, and thus it is clear the Chapter’s duty to support in the raids must continue just as much as it is the Militia’s duty to continue its campaigns against the TLF ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 1:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/156 "2022-01-03T01:10:03Z")
Indeed. And we can and will continue that duty. Anyone loyal to one of the CONCORD signatories who is legitimately interested in aiding anti-Triglavian operations is welcome to contact me privately to see if cooperation with the Excubitoris Chapter of the Sacred Throne is possible. I certainly will not be advertising our operations on this forum other than to say that we will not stand down from our cooperation with EDENCOM alligned forces until the fight is either won or the proper authorities inform us of a change in priorities. The invaders must die. Those who collaborate with the invasion must also die. Remember Raravoss. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/157 "2022-01-05T04:57:27Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > In the political environment that has been established for the last 123 years, a reality of duty to Amarr is that it will sometimes call for coordination with entities that in normal circumstances are enemies of the Empire. Curious. This was not PIE’s stance when I was removed for doing exactly that. > [@Arsia\_Elkin](#): > > The Empire needs to be wiped from the face of the ■■■■■■■ cluster or else these nutjobs are going to continue to pop up left and right. You really have gone full apostate. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/158 "2022-01-05T10:32:49Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > This was not PIE’s stance when I was removed for doing exactly that. Are you really trying to say working with a terrorist to launch a rogue virus attack against an Amarr household is equivalent to an Ardishapur heir endorsed coalition that defends Amarr against the Triglavians? ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/159 "2022-01-05T11:14:55Z")
The issues with Chakaid happened after I was already gone, my lord. I’m talking about working with a terrorist to hunt Nauplius, and in the process saving the lives of a million slaves. That’s what I was removed from PIE for. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/160 "2022-01-05T11:24:32Z")
To be completely fair to the Chapter Master, I believe the concern was for the fraternization occuring beyond the cooperation that the event was indicative of. Personally I found the act commendable, but not what proved to be true surrounding it. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/161 "2022-01-05T13:32:06Z")
From my memory there was a little bit more to the story than your just working with a terrorist, but even if there weren’t it would still not be even close to the “exact same thing” as the current situation with anti-Triglavian cooperation. The existence of EDENCOM changes a great deal. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/162 "2022-01-05T14:19:21Z")
Perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/163 "2022-01-05T15:03:46Z")
How convenient that it suddenly became so very different when you lot started doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/164 "2022-01-05T16:57:06Z")
I think you got that the wrong way. They started doing it because it became different. No doubt they’ll stop as soon as the Edencom co-operation collapses, too. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/165 "2022-01-05T17:07:50Z")
I somehow doubt it. They haven’t exactly been short on that level of hypocrisy before, turning blind eyes to co-operation with… let’s call them ‘undesirables’ when convenient, and condemning it when it isn’t. Anything from Angels through Blooders, long before Edencom was a thing. It’s not really anything unexpected or unprecedented of course, but it is always going to remain hypocritical. They _started_ doing it long before Samira even joined. The only thing that changed with Edencom is that they now have an excuse for it. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/166 "2022-01-05T23:50:04Z")
You are correct that we have decided some collaboration with undesirables in the past is neccessary. The primary other context for collaboration with undesireables has been the Militia. However, the decision to allow pirates and such to work for Amarr was made far above our rank, much like the decision to have Amarr join EDENCOM. ---
**Author:** ![Zudhezal\_Khadzerai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zudhezal_khadzerai/32/302702_2.png) [@Zudhezal\_Khadzerai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zudhezal_Khadzerai)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757/167 "2022-01-06T00:30:41Z")
I don’t think working with the Republic against the Triglavians means abandoning plans to reconquer the rebel provinces at a later date when the Empire is in a position to do so. I think it’s a misjudgment to think working with an enemy to fight another enemy makes them any less an enemy. It just means they’re an enemy you’ve chosen not to kill for today. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/excubitoris-chapter-duty-and-service-to-amarr/339757.md?page=9)