# Expand Universe to reduce System congestion and grow user base **URL:** \ **Category:** Photon UI\ **Created:** [December 6, 2024, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339 "2024-12-06T07:53:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Armorous\_Guada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/armorous_guada/32/443154_2.png) [@Armorous\_Guada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Armorous_Guada)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/1 "2024-12-06T07:53:56Z")
Can CCP look to expand the Universe to help reduce system congestion and maybe another Major market to provide new opportunities. It may also help to grow the userbase to give a place to setup in areas where no veterans have been established for years… ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/2 "2024-12-06T09:45:11Z")
Markets are setup by players, not by CCP. If you want another big market, start seeding a location. ---
**Author:** ![Gadwad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadwad/32/426145_2.png) [@Gadwad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadwad)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/3 "2024-12-06T10:15:03Z")
Most of EVE is almost completely deserted. You can fly 20 jumps without seeing anyone. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/4 "2024-12-06T14:39:13Z")
And you can fly 20 jumps with people in each system… ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/5 "2024-12-06T15:29:54Z")
OP, please tell me about your experiences - in particular, those which have led you to request an expansion. EVE seems to me to have a variety of environments, some populated, others rarely so, and others again, not at all. Major trade hubs, their nearby systems and associated routes are likely to be busier than other areas, but that is to be expected. I was drawn to your remark about veterans. Is this a roundabout way of complaining that veterans control everything, market-wise? If it is and if it’s true, how might establishing a new major hub in a new location address the problem? Thanks for the prompt; it’s a while since I considered these things. ---
**Author:** ![Sara\_Seraph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sara_seraph/32/495525_2.png) [@Sara\_Seraph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sara_Seraph)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/6 "2024-12-06T18:31:21Z")
I am going to bet this is more about having unexplored space as in the first few years of EVE’s existence. But, with things being as they are, the majors would move in and settle it within a year’s time. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/7 "2024-12-06T18:32:41Z")
Depends. If the new systems have nothing, nobody would come. Europe invaded America once they believed there was resources to exploit. ---
**Author:** ![Sara\_Seraph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sara_seraph/32/495525_2.png) [@Sara\_Seraph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sara_Seraph)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/8 "2024-12-06T18:52:58Z")
With ‘nothing’ what would be the point of having them? Not just in-game, but also use of RL resources also. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/9 "2024-12-06T19:30:32Z")
> [@Armorous\_Guada](#): > > Can CCP look to expand the Universe to help reduce system congestion and maybe another Major market to provide new opportunities. It may also help to grow the userbase to give a place to setup in areas where no veterans have been established for years… This is not how EVE works. Under the current game mechanics, Jita would be Jita, no matter if you add another 10.000 systems or not. Alliances would still gather their active members in crowded “Staging Systems” and leave the rest of the region mostly empy, because they can simply cyno the whole fleet to where they want it. There just is no need to have them split up to several outposts with _local defenders_ anywhere. If anything happens, you call the big fleet trough the magic teleporter. And no matter how much “new space” you create, if there is anything lucrative to do there, the _established_ alliances would fill that space with alts and vasalls, no independent or newly joined entity could claim a hold there. People would just come to burn them out _because they can_. To farm killmails, loot and salt. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/10 "2024-12-06T22:15:57Z")
^ This. All of this. ---
**Author:** ![Jackoneill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jackoneill/32/439824_2.png) [@Jackoneill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jackoneill)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/11 "2024-12-12T00:31:35Z")
Frankly I agree empire is quite decently populated and could use a sizeable expansion particularly if we want to want to promote and expand the game beyond its existing base. We need to look at getting rid of the bots in local chats and move hypernet stuff to a joinable channel so people can actually chat in local without it being drowned out. We need to look at ways to grow the play base Make new species with substantial new empire space but also new 0.0 space but make the 0.0 space complex, go old school Eve no jump bridges, no jump gates allowed force travel, force it to be high risk and decent travel times to get to the most valuable locations, no NPc stations just what is created by the players, have the 0.0 portion inside an anomaly of some kind whereby the gates realign at random intervals to create chaos between a select couple (say 5) of systems based on the star type I dunno and the event on the star determines what system the gate is connected to. Make it so the no existing resources are available in those system only new types. This way it creates risk to bring in enough resources/ship/modules to build stations. I dunno come up with some crazy creative ideas people don’t just say no come up with inventive ways to do it ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/12 "2024-12-12T01:56:04Z")
In reality, when large cities become congested, new highways are built to accommodate the increase flow of traffic. The same holds true in Eve Online. The routes are really no different than roads in Sim City that you have constantly have to rework and build to create the most efficient route possible. ---
**Author:** ![Biggie\_Rawls](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biggie_rawls/32/444203_2.png) [@Biggie\_Rawls](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Biggie_Rawls)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/13 "2024-12-15T02:22:53Z")
You should go there and drop an astrahus! (And let me know how that goes for you. Best of luck, fly safe and all that) ---
**Author:** ![Gadwad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadwad/32/426145_2.png) [@Gadwad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadwad)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/14 "2024-12-15T08:49:44Z")
I don’t really get your point. Why did you write that? ---
**Author:** ![Laubrani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/laubrani/32/430644_2.png) [@Laubrani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Laubrani)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2024, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/15 "2024-12-21T05:25:18Z")
We do not want another major public market. There already is 5 trade hubs (which were all once busy - but Jita was always the largest afaik), now there really is only 1. There just aren’t many players in Eve anymore, and as such not much trade to share among systems. Congested systems only happens in high sec because CCP force players together (events, changes to LP stores etc). As for making an area to settle for new players, they will just be fodder for Veterans, you can explore [Zakrath](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Zarzakh) for the most recent addition, Thera and Pochven for 2 others. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2024, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/16 "2024-12-22T16:10:03Z")
Frontier Space from Frontier could be incorporated into Eve Online and would replace systems with a very low population. The same mechanics used in Eve Online Frontier would be used in the Frontier systems transferred to Eve Online. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/17 "2024-12-22T16:12:59Z")
This is assuming EVE can be expanded (there may be an inherent limit on the number of systems in the game). ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2025, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expand-universe-to-reduce-system-congestion-and-grow-user-base/470339/18 "2025-03-22T16:13:20Z")
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