# Expanding Criminal Activities in High-Sec **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 10, 2025, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326 "2025-06-10T11:11:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/162 "2025-06-12T09:16:00Z")
![2025.06.12.09.13.58](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/6/4/264bc7ee61106e181138790432b1ca910a238123.png) Just T2 mods. No faction. No blue. No purple. No escort. ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/456813_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/163 "2025-06-12T09:20:53Z")
Ok. there are Veteran Players in this forum. they will be the one to analyze this photo. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/164 "2025-06-12T09:23:17Z")
![2025.06.12.09.21.12](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/b/4/db44a7c5d64dae5073dced099987ccba1ff5e823.png) Another of my freighters using just T2 mods. Both were taken while docked. > [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > I’ve got almost 200k EHP on my Skiffs and I know my Orca is approaching 400k EHP (would also have to double-check that). You have a long way to go on unlocking an Orca’s EHP potential! ![2025.06.12.09.28.36](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/3/f/13f20b3cfad09760c004515c0a55fcea58c7650d.png) These are NOT T2 modules! And you all thought I was just wasting time when I was flying my Skiff. I wasn’t. I was quietly learning how to shield tank. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/165 "2025-06-12T09:55:28Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Permanent consequence ? That’s like giving someone life imprisonment for stealing a bag of chips. No, it’s like putting “Grand theft: Auto” on someone’s rap sheet because they stole a car. Which is what gets done with criminals. So people know who they’re dealing with. So they _get_ dealt with, as criminals. If choosing a mining or hauling or PvE career is meant to give the consequence that you’re at risk from PvPers, I’m pretty sure that _being_ a career criminal can carry the consequence of being _treated_ like a criminal. In game terms. Not the current “Oh darn, sure, I realize I stole your car and killed your dog, but hey, I handed in a few clone tags I bought with the cash I got from selling your car. So my record is clean again. All good now, right?” Obviously, the current crowd of lazy, kill-padding gankers won’t support this, as they aren’t looking to make career choices… they’re just looking for quick, easy and cheap kills. They’re really just farmers, after all, and farmers hate to have their farming disturbed by others. Regardless of their reluctance, EVE will be much more interesting with a dynamic justice system that gives greater freedom to both sides of the law. _You_ might not be able to handle it, and most current gankers would be eliminated, but some will adapt, and some will take up new careers, and some will play both sides. The way EVE should be. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/166 "2025-06-12T11:20:56Z")
> [@Lydra\_Victor](#): > > SOURCE: GROK Wow… im still shaking my head that you use an AI to fit your ships. No wonder you know nothing about this game! Pro tip- don’t use AI to do your thinking for you. Open the fitting window, read the Overview and Attributes in ship info, and learn. ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/456813_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/167 "2025-06-12T11:47:19Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > No wonder you know nothing about this game! I already won this game. Miners like You just played in an era of abundance and expansions. I know how you play this game but you don’t know how I play it. One of my history is Giving ships to Anti Gankers and Gankers because I’m happy see them fight each other. Supporting the PAPI alliance against the the Mittani. I can also hire mercenaries to hunt you down for fun if I return to my old self. My gameplay is dark. You’re easy to read because you post a lot of things about your shiny ships. This is Eve-Online every one has a unique gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/168 "2025-06-12T11:50:54Z")
How do I play this game? Please prove that you know everything I do in game. “You dock in mining ships and shoot rocks all day…” hahahaha That’s SOME of what I do. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/169 "2025-06-12T11:54:54Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > And yeah. I guess youve never heard of upgrading a fit. And if you think it’s unbelievable, youre even worse at this game than you think i am. > > Link two braincells together and remember that one thing I’ve always done is take time to work on tank fits. I don’t even need expensive mods for this fit. Lol…no I don’t believe you because your ‘fit’ keeps alternating between a mining barge and a freighter. Max EHP for a Skiff is around 200K EHP, and unless the 3 month old stats in Eve University Wiki are already out of date…max EHP for a freighter is around 600K Of course, you can increase that with implants but then that’s not the ‘freighter EHP’ Maybe if you got the exclamation mark key unstuck on your keyboard you’d be able to comprehend the rest of the alphabet. ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/456813_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/170 "2025-06-12T12:00:20Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > “dock in mining ships and shoot rocks all day…” > > hahahaha That’s SOME of what I do. We know.. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/171 "2025-06-12T12:02:00Z")
Thats not really hard. It’s a Bowhead. And the other one is an Avalanche. 5% implants for Hull, Armor and Shield. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/172 "2025-06-12T12:02:12Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > No, it’s like putting “Grand theft: Auto” on someone’s rap sheet because they stole a car. Which is what gets done with criminals. So people know who they’re dealing with. So they _get_ dealt with, as criminals. Er…yes, but they don’t then get arrested every time they go out…after they have done their time. Your idea of ‘permanent consequences’ is just plain silly. It is, as I said above, quite literally like giving someone life imprisonment for stealing a hoodie from a clothes shop. And it is even sillier in a game where the _whole frikin idea_ is to steal hoodies from clothes shops. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/173 "2025-06-12T12:06:32Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Lol…no I don’t believe you because your ‘fit’ keeps alternating between a mining barge and a freighter. Max EHP for a Skiff is around 200K EHP, and unless the 3 month old stats in Eve University Wiki are already out of date…max EHP for a freighter is around 600K Of course it alternates! I began learning when I was flying the Skiff. I returned after a 12 year absence. Back then, High Sec was actually dangerous. This time, I decided to work hard on learning ship fitting because that was what I was the worst at back then. Brand new account this time and I was determined to learn. I practiced on the Skiff because it was the most durable of the barges (Exhumer). Why wouldn’t I work on it and learn? Of course I started there. Then I bought combat ships and learned how to fit those. Then I moved to freighters and learned that there isn’t much difference between fitting a Skiff and fitting a freighter. The same shield tank works (with only minor differences). So yes, my fits change from one to the other. I’m always improving. I managed to fit a Bowhead and Avalanche to way over 700,000 using ONLY T2 mods and you’re so upset that you’re lashing out instead of trying to learn. And no- a Skiff, with faction mods, can reach ALMOST 300,000 EHP with Orca shield boosts. You’re so irate that you’re going to just continue with, “Nuh uh! You’re wrong!” Keep thinking that. Oh and I don’t fly faction freighters like the Obelisk. Those freighters are terrible and in dire need of an update. Waste of money. They cost the same as a Bowhead and Avalanche and don’t carry much at all. They’re weak by comparison. Faction freighters are the worst in the game (well- the Jump freighters are the worst. Terrible cargo hold!). An Avalanche has half the cargo space of the Obelisk. That’s its only weak point. Everything else is better. It can be fit to strengthen resistances, fit for tank, and it can carry 2 million m3 of Infrastructure. It also has missiles and can do very decent DPS! Bowhead is king for moving ships and can get a better fit than an Avalanche. It even has Rig slots! Why would anyone ever fly a faction freighter? ## Since I’ve had my fun proving that gankers know nothing of how to fit a ship: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/b/b/cbbf6d1312d212dbefa80ef3ba6a1b8d1d2109f3.jpeg "How Multiboxing Ensures INVINCIBLE Freighter Hauling 🚀Avalanche Guide: EVE Online") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsR7bn_xjO4) This is not the fit I use, but it works. So yeah… keep asking an AI program to do your fits for you! LOL!!! ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/174 "2025-06-12T12:15:39Z")
Well, I think there has to be some middle ground. The current system of repeatedly ganking and simply offsetting the penalty with ISK is not a good one imho. And I believe most people would agree here. I liked the old system of getting more and more penalties the more often you attack players in Highsec a lot better and a lot more believable (immersion). I understand that people with a bad security status who _really want to change ways_ and maybe go from a LS piracy career back to a HS retirement corp or completely switch playtstiles might find a “reset option” useful instead of grinding NPCs out of belts for days and days…, but that should be in the form of an “amnesty”, with a pretty long cooldown in which you are “on parole” and should not attack others any more, else your sec-status reset is revoked again. And then you cannot use the “amnesty” option again, for a long long time… I really believe that HS pirates _should_ face the consequence that they need to live a “Piracy life” if they chose that path. Always on the run, never stay long anywhere because the Police or other players will sooner or later find and attack them, since they are “free to shoot” _all the time_. They would need to use safespots, cloaks, rewarps etc to prevent being caught. Actively. ALL. THE. TIME. And of course they should not be able to dock at any HS station or structure or hide under a Forcefield. If they want to have their peace, retreat to Lowsec for a while until they go on their next HS roam to hunt a target. But to _reward_ such a demanding and challenging life, there have to mechanics that make such a life appealing. Profits to be made, Access to BlackMarket tools (weapons, ships, equipment) that can only be used by players with negative secstatus. Tactics that allow to board or kill ships without losing the own one to a 100%, so you actually _can get away_ if you are good. It should not be easy, but possible. So “Piracy” is a completely unique style of playing the game, forfeiting all the benefits of HS, but gaining access to content you can’t have otherwise. However, such a change would need deep changes in the way CONCORD responds and how agression mechanics work in HS. So unfortunately I can’t see it happening any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/175 "2025-06-12T12:26:28Z")
How about having an opt out of CONCORD protection if you have a security status above 4.0, in return you can shoot anyone with even a slightly negative security status without sanction. To make it more fun and exciting for gankers they do not know if this is turned on or off. And there is a 24 hour cooldown on changing this status. Just think of the fun and uncertainty this would create… ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/176 "2025-06-12T12:28:10Z")
Gankers typically log off when not ganking and never fly anything expensive. There is no loss for them. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/177 "2025-06-12T12:29:44Z")
TAMTP ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/178 "2025-06-12T12:36:51Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > So yes, my fits change from one to the other. I’m always improving. I managed to fit a Bowhead and Avalanche to way over 700,000 using ONLY T2 mods and you’re so upset that you’re lashing out instead of trying to learn. Upset. Lol. Deary…I’m not sure I even care. While you are in smug mode flying your entire fleet in your gazillion EHP Bowhead…I’ll be _enjoying_ the risk of flying my ships individually from staging site to staging site as I always have done with Wrecking Machine. And when I get through…as I always do…why, that is _genuine_ smug mode. Eliminating the risk is eliminating the game…and anything to conceivably be smug about. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/179 "2025-06-12T12:36:53Z")
I think that would add just confusion, because you can hardly tell on grid or in local who is a valid target, who has “opted out” and who hasn’t etc… However I can imagine a “Law Enforcement” Carreer as counterplay to HS-piracy, that would also give access to tools, ships and mechanics that can only be used by people with a very high Secstatus. However, that would have to be implemented AFTER the concept for HS piracy is done. Those interactions between offenders, targets and law-enforcers have to be balanced out on different levels of commitment and experience. And that not an easy job to do. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/180 "2025-06-12T12:44:04Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Eliminating the risk is eliminating the game…and anything to conceivably be smug about. Oh so now you’re finally admitting that my way is indeed safe. Abandoning the “All ships are gankable and all ships can be blown up easily!” mentality? Personal growth! I’m happy! It’s human nature to protect investments. I have pick and impact resistant locks on the doors of my house too. You should try to make fun of me for that. Why wouldn’t I protect my ships? I paid for them. Three billion ISK is a significant investment. If a ganker wants to take that away from me, he better bring a LOT of friends. It’s not my fault gankers know nothing about fits. I didn’t prevent them from opening the fitting window and learning how to play. That was their choice- as it was yours to know nothing about fits. You chose to to never learn that. It’s not my fault. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326/181 "2025-06-12T12:48:40Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Oh so now you’re finally admitting that my way is indeed safe. Abandoning the “All ships are gankable and all ships can be blown up easily!” mentality? Personal growth! I’m happy! Not logging in at all is 100% safe and has infinite EHP. ISK ? Pah ! I long since have more ISK than I can spend on ships. Maybe I will give some to Safety 🙂 I’m simply making the point that being 100% safe is _boring_. Having a vast pile of ISK is _boring_. The ONLY thing that makes EVE worth logging in for is risk. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expanding-criminal-activities-in-high-sec/489326.md?page=10)