# Expert Systems - Coming Soon! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** official\ **Created:** [February 25, 2021, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479 "2021-02-25T12:01:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Kshal\_Aideron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kshal_aideron/32/390152_2.png) [@Kshal\_Aideron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kshal_Aideron)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/266 "2021-02-26T09:28:23Z")
Take this with a grain of salt since I’ve only played for about a year, and have only been an FC of predominantly newbro fleets for the past 6 months and somehow found that my stream became the “newbro help desk” because the newbro experience still falls flat on its face in many areas. This system could be an awesome aid to show new players what they can expect a few months down the road. I think it would be awesome to be able to use it to get them in slightly better fit ships for my roams to see what they have to look forward to. Since I do ship handouts, and I get players as new as 1 day old in my fleets, as well as players who put all their sp into explo or the market instead of ship skills… the fits we make for my newbros are literally held together with duct tape and a prayer. All you Minmatar’s would be proud. This would be a great way for a newbro to figure out if they even like PVP so they’d know if they want to invest their skills into EWAR, etc. Unfortunately, it fell flat for me when I saw it’s a paid experience. It would be an awesome login reward, or say a 1 month reward so you can try out new things. But in my short experience of actually interacting with real, flesh and blood newbros, they’re not going to be willing to pay for this. But hey, what do I know? 10/10 stars for great idea 1/10 stars for execution of idea ---
**Author:** ![Xanthellus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xanthellus/32/253691_2.png) [@Xanthellus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xanthellus)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/267 "2021-02-26T09:50:38Z")
> [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > There is slight difference in buying thin air that will disappear after 7 days and buying SP that will stay and have in game value. > > Just at least let people buy this with plex and I will shut up. Why do you care about something you say won’t be any good, but somehow you’re ok with it if you could get it for plex. ---
**Author:** ![Lis\_Torin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lis_torin/32/204820_2.png) [@Lis\_Torin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lis_Torin)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/268 "2021-02-26T09:53:07Z")
> [@Xanthellus](#): > > Why do you care about something you say won’t be any good I did? Show me where I said that ability to test new ships or professions is bad? ---
**Author:** ![Xanthellus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xanthellus/32/253691_2.png) [@Xanthellus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xanthellus)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/269 "2021-02-26T09:57:37Z")
> [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > Show me where I said that ability to test new ships or professions is bad? You’re avoiding the question, the idea as a whole about paying for temporary skills is what you don’t agree to, yet you’re somehow fine with it if it’s payable with plex. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/270 "2021-02-26T10:24:47Z")
> [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > Just at least let people buy this with plex and I will shut up. Why would it be OK when payable with PLEX but not without? The concept is still the same and for a newbie (intended audience) it doesn’t matter. Only a veteran with spare plex would be affected by tgat choice of CCP, but they aren’t the target audience. ---
**Author:** ![Miranda\_Farron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miranda_farron/32/250852_2.png) [@Miranda\_Farron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miranda_Farron)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/271 "2021-02-26T10:28:36Z")
So apparently the Ship Tree will now have Expert System icons on ships that you can pay to jump straight into. Yuck. How does that not look exactly like a P2W micro-transaction riddled EA game? Interceptor on Ship Tree - can’t fly this? Don’t have the skills? Haven’t spent the time? No problem - Insert coin. Wow. It’s a bad feeling. Don’t like. Feels dirty and cheap. I hope there’s an option to turn those icons off so I don’t have to look at them. ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/272 "2021-02-26T10:32:06Z")
I am ok with this. Let them see what it is like. Get the temp skills… Buy plex to use that nice faction battleship, loose it to me in his mission as he shoots at me while I perform my janitorial duties, cleaning up his mess. Good times. ---
**Author:** ![Miranda\_Farron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miranda_farron/32/250852_2.png) [@Miranda\_Farron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miranda_Farron)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/273 "2021-02-26T10:36:10Z")
> [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > I am ok with this. > > Let them see what it is like. Get the temp skills… Buy plex to use that nice faction battleship, loose it to me in his mission as he shoots at me while I perform my janitorial duties, cleaning up his mess. > > Good times. Haha yeah. I imagine CODE / Safety will be okay with the Mining Barge package for similar reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Ragarak\_Utama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ragarak_utama/32/448358_2.png) [@Ragarak\_Utama](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ragarak_Utama)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/274 "2021-02-26T10:52:45Z")
CCP again. Wasted programming time. ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_M\_fune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/admiral_m_fune/32/259253_2.png) [@Admiral\_M\_fune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Admiral_M_fune)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/275 "2021-02-26T11:07:14Z")
Can we get that through the Steam store or only on CCP’s website? ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/276 "2021-02-26T11:14:54Z")
The idea is not bad, just flawed in execution, although we have to wait and see what the packages actually look like. CCP is in the business of selling subscriptions, something clearly hinted at in the announcement blog. If they can make rookies take the step to sub’ing, fine. However … it doesn’t change the NPE at all. Having skills is not an _experience_. Being clueless about how to use them, or how to survive using them, is even a bad experience. If this were accompanied by actually pushing the new pilots through a scripted scenario, making use of those skills, they could finally get a handle on selling more subs. But even that wouldn’t change the NPE. **Guidance** , for those who don’t have the patience to explore the complexity of EvE (granted, there are no user friendly resources for that right now), is what I think is needed instead. And that guidance is missing in all NPE efforts so far. The problem isn’t trivial. After all, how do you teach a kid how to play in a sandbox and _enjoy_ it ? Of course, if this is opening the door to selling skills for $$$ we would have a new problem later on. ---
**Author:** ![Lis\_Torin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lis_torin/32/204820_2.png) [@Lis\_Torin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lis_Torin)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/277 "2021-02-26T11:22:41Z")
> [@Xanthellus](#): > > You’re avoiding the question, the idea as a whole about paying for temporary skills is what you don’t agree to, yet you’re somehow fine with it if it’s payable with plex. Again. I’m not against temporary skills or ship permits. Not even against it being behind paywall. I’m against buying it only with RL money. Almost all plex in game is bought with $. It’s same idea as with “free” omega or alpha injectors. There is no such thing as free omega or alpha injectors only from isk. Just different person pays RL money for it. Revenue for company stays the same. It’s all about psychology. “Forcing” people to buy with RL money something that has no real long term value will only piss off anyone that will be not satisfied. Because they lost money for no benefit. I’m really not gonna teach CCP how to sell shitt to people. Also, number of humans that ever will be interested in EVE is not infinite and probably is shrinking every year. Last year CCP chewed 1.3 milion of people that quit because NPE is broken. Some of them maybe will look again at EVE if they will hear somewhere that issues they struggled with where fixed. But how many of them will look again at game that they lost RL money and where unsatisfied? There is nothing bad in increasing revenue. CCP and PA are companies. They want to make money in first place. I will support ways to increase income for company to make game better and live longer. But I will never support money grabs that will result only in damaging game reputation while not tackle, even single ongoing issue. ---
**Author:** ![Xanthellus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xanthellus/32/253691_2.png) [@Xanthellus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xanthellus)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/278 "2021-02-26T11:27:35Z")
> [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > I’m against buying it only with RL money. Why? This idea is aimed at new players who don’t HAVE plex yet, there’s no difference for new players between buying it outright or having to buy plex first to then buy it in game. In fact I’d say that doing it this way is a great way to avoid this system being taken advantage of by vets. Sounds to me like you want this change for your personal benefit. ---
**Author:** ![Lis\_Torin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lis_torin/32/204820_2.png) [@Lis\_Torin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lis_Torin)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/279 "2021-02-26T11:40:16Z")
> [@Xanthellus](#): > > there’s no difference for new players between buying it outright or having to buy plex first to then buy it in game. But there is difference if they buy in game item with certain value vs thin air that will disappear after 7 days. Again it’s psychology, basics of sale. > [@Xanthellus](#): > > In fact I’d say that doing it this way is a great way to avoid this system being taken advantage of by vets. Why vet would care about being able to fly t1 exploration frigate or mining barge for 7 days? Any sane vet will buy SP. Any “advantage” I see right now is actually giving these to new players for free by vets. > [@Xanthellus](#): > > Sounds to me like you want this change for your personal benefit. Just because I try to defend people that can’t defend themselves? I don’t want people leaving or being so pissed at game to never ever, look in it’s direction. Yes I have personal benefit. I want better and healthier game > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Of course, if this is opening the door to selling skills for $$$ we would have a new problem later on. We have that since 2015 ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/280 "2021-02-26T11:42:27Z")
Or perhaps he’s just thinking of how the newbie would probably be better off just paying RL money for omega than spending RL money for 1 week of temporary skills/ship access. Yes, I’ve read the whole thread and there’s lots of people pointing out that the problem is newbies don’t know what they want to do at first. That’s… almost always been the case. I started in 2013. I tried mining, exploration, missions, then PVP, then incursions in my first year or so. I trained into various areas that I don’t use equally now that I’m a 175 mil SP nearly 8 year old vet. But every thing I trained was a permanent investment in my character, and if I hated a choice so badly, I could “undo” it with skill extractors since that system went in. In any event, the limited “respec” system some are recommending instead of this sounds like a better idea, but… this one depends on pricing and on how often CCP gives it to alphas for free during login campaigns and such. I agree with the guy who recommended to Mike that it be a reward for completing the career agent missions (all 45 of them, last time I checked… could have changed in the last year or two). ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/281 "2021-02-26T11:44:50Z")
> [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > We have that since 2015 with diminished returns, so all’s good. Injecting your way into a ship hull that really matters may be a financial challenge, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Xanthellus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xanthellus/32/253691_2.png) [@Xanthellus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xanthellus)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/282 "2021-02-26T11:47:52Z")
> [@Sylvia\_Kildare](#): > > Or perhaps he’s just thinking of how the newbie would probably be better off just paying RL money for omega than spending RL money for 1 week of temporary skills/ship access Na he’s not, a newbie is still paying rl cash for it. To a newbie there’s no difference between paying for it outright or having to do it via plex, that actually makes it more convoluted. ---
**Author:** ![Xanthellus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xanthellus/32/253691_2.png) [@Xanthellus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xanthellus)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/283 "2021-02-26T11:49:33Z")
> [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > But there is difference if they buy in game item with certain value vs thin air that will disappear after 7 days. Again it’s psychology, basics of sale. So how would that be different for a newbie if it were for sale via plex, which a newbie doesn’t have which he then has to first buy? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/284 "2021-02-26T11:50:45Z")
> [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > Why vet would care about being able to fly t1 exploration frigate or mining barge for 7 days? Any sane vet will buy SP. Any “advantage” I see right now is actually giving these to new players for free by vets. I’m pretty sure it will be cheaper to buy those skills temporarily than to buy injectors to get those skills permanently. A sane veteran who wants those skills _temporarily_ would want to get the expert system rather than a skill injector. But apart from players who want to try out a new type of gameplay without too much investment, I don’t see the attraction of temporary skills myself. But I can see how they can be useful to other people. ---
**Author:** ![513\_semaJ\_UF](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/513_semaj_uf/32/258533_2.png) [@513\_semaJ\_UF](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/513_semaJ_UF)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/285 "2021-02-26T11:53:55Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > CCP wants to replace the free SP that they give in their booster packs with these temporary levels, that even seems better all around It’s not so hard to figure out why you’d be for something like that. Noobs flying ships they barely know how to handle is a gift to you and your terrorist friends from CODE. CCP is doing you a favor, serving you noobs on a silver platter. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479.md?page=15)