# Expert Systems - Coming Soon! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** official\ **Created:** [February 25, 2021, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479 "2021-02-25T12:01:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/376 "2021-02-27T20:26:41Z")
As already mentioned here, new players should received this for free one time, after they finish the career missions. Only when they want to try it again, they should be charged . Another option would be to get it for free one time after they have purchased omega from the Eve store. There was a discussion on TIS about this , and from what I’ve seen there on the test server , this expert system does not include skills that allow you to try t2/t3 ships , most of them are basic skills at level 3-4 and only a few at level 5 , so this better be very cheap . ---
**Author:** ![Annrea](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annrea/32/258871_2.png) [@Annrea](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annrea)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/377 "2021-02-27T22:07:13Z")
My opinion is I think the idea is great. My requests: Provide all skills for level 4 mastery for any given ship or class of ships(HAC, EAF, AF, ect.) Make sure it’s priced to be appealing. $3-$7 per an expert system implant. Frigs on the low end, marauders and black ops on the high end. Exclude cyno skills and capitals to prevent overnight titan pilots or alts jumping ships to avoid cooldown time. ---
**Author:** ![Kev\_Lar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kev_lar/32/257294_2.png) [@Kev\_Lar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kev_Lar)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/378 "2021-02-27T22:53:57Z")
CCP is looking to make ton of money now…or maybe eventually allow a person to pay for 1 week of this amount of sp(think like 25,50.75,100 mill sp…) very predatory on new teens with someones credit card or super rich(nice job etc)…so they can skill inject to their ship desire…after trying this"Expert System" Hey buddy I got this new drug, just one hit and your hooked for life…or least I will get your money then before you walk away… I am for this program but against any other version beyond this step…also tbh between us, when has ccp stop at trying to make money, everything they have done as of recently is to make money and burn matertials in the game(besides ship rebalances)- I just wish they updated the hardware more with all this new money coming in. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/379 "2021-02-27T23:13:07Z")
I want a “Weekend Omega Plan” at 2/7ths the cost cause I only get tp play on weekends! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/380 "2021-02-27T23:14:25Z")
I don’t know why CCP haven’t allowed this by now … this and a one week omega plan. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/381 "2021-02-27T23:17:00Z")
> [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](#): > > and a one week omega plan. I think that’s just what’s going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/382 "2021-02-27T23:19:29Z")
Nah, this system it’s not going to provide that . And what would be the point for a char that can use all subcaps in the game or a capital specialized alt ? The expert system isn’t going to unlock that , as mentioned it’s for starters. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/383 "2021-02-27T23:20:41Z")
Just add skill injectors to the market on the test server, and remind people that it exits for exactly this kind of stuff. Or is this another digital item with poor value for money grabbing cash again from suckers? Shameful. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/384 "2021-02-27T23:24:15Z")
You buy into this. While Omega, you inj 15 mill sp. When you go back to Alpha, you now have 20mil sp to Alpha with instead of just the 5 if I read this right? ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/385 "2021-02-27T23:33:08Z")
I’m not sure if I understood correctly what is it that you want to ask… When you reach the 5 mil SP free training limit as an alpha , you don’t actually need omega to inject (15 mil SP) until the 20 mil SP alpha limit, but you will probably be limited to alpha skills for the injection. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/386 "2021-02-27T23:42:04Z")
My bad, I wasn’t sure alphas could do that. I’m sure there’s some way this can be abused. I have faith in humans to screw up everything. ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/387 "2021-02-27T23:46:53Z")
They can do it , but they can put those 15 mil SP only in the skills listed here: [https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Clone\_states](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Clone_states) Ofc you wouldn’t want to do this , that unless you want to stay forever as an alpha with 20 mil SP. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/388 "2021-02-27T23:50:33Z")
My next question would be how far can a bot go on 20 mil sp? In all the talk about bots, I never caught the answer to that one. ---
**Author:** ![Hariet](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Hariet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hariet)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/389 "2021-02-28T01:51:47Z")
> [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](#): > > The expert system isn’t going to unlock that , as mentioned it’s for starters. Yes, but it might unlock _ **limited** _ omega for starters, on a part time basis. An alpha pilot can fly a venture at around 80% (?) of the maximum mining capacity that an omega pilot can achieve. If the alpha then uses an expert system to unlock a barge, they can fly a covetor at their same alpha skill levels for around 2.5x faster mining? For one week. > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > While Omega, you inj 15 mill sp. When you go back to Alpha, you now have 20mil sp to Alpha with instead of just the 5 if I read this right? Correct. But you can only use alpha skills. So, in theory you can have 100M SP as omega, go to alpha, and you still have 100 M SP, but you only have _ **access** _ to up to 21.5 M of _ **alpha** _ SP. > [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](#): > > Ofc you wouldn’t want to do this , that unless you want to stay forever as an alpha with 20 mil SP. It depends. If you were a casual player, who only plays weekends, why not? My best estimate is that 5 M SP gets you _ **all** _ the alpha skills except racial skills, weapons and ammo. It then also lets you choose to max out _ **one** _ racial skill to T1 battleship, _ **plus** _ one weapon system and ammo. Close enough? Each additional 5 M simply gives you another racial battleship plus an additional weapon system and ammo. I think. What these expert systems would seem to do is then give that alpha access to limited omega skills (at least for mining) on a pay-for-use basis. I do not know if they would also give access to combat omega skills. Would they have access to cloaking for example? Access to higher Magic 14 skills should tho certainly translate to more powerful armed ships that the alpha can fly on a temporary basis. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/390 "2021-02-28T01:57:32Z")
> [@Hariet](#): > > > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > > > While Omega, you inj 15 mill sp. When you go back to Alpha, you now have 20mil sp to Alpha with instead of just the 5 if I read this right? > > Correct. But you can only use alpha skills. So, in theory you can have 100M SP as omega, go to alpha, and you still have 100 M SP, but you only have _ **access** _ to up to 21.5 M of _ **alpha** _ SP. I didn’t realize alphas could skill inj over the 5 mil other than the free sp so my point was moot. ---
**Author:** ![Hariet](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Hariet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hariet)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/391 "2021-02-28T02:01:02Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > I didn’t realize alphas could skill inj over the 5 mil so my point was moot. Neither did I until another thread. Technically, they cannot train _ **routinely** _ after 5 M but they can still use any free skill points they are given - daily log-on, campaign give aways and the like. Apparently. EDIT: that of course is the point of the daily alpha injectors. they can then _ **pay** _ to inject a set amount of SP each day, after 5 M ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_Moridon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/admiral_moridon/32/258901_2.png) [@Admiral\_Moridon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Admiral_Moridon)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/392 "2021-02-28T02:11:04Z")
What a mess. I mean great in theory, but you are losing your existing players if you dont hurry up and fix the economy. ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/393 "2021-02-28T02:20:39Z")
> [@Hariet](#): > > that of course is the point of the daily alpha injectors. they can then _ **pay** _ to inject a set amount of SP each day, after 5 M They can use _any_ type of injector. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/394 "2021-02-28T02:28:40Z")
I saw this mess coming 2 yrs ago, packed up and unsubed my acct’s a yr ago now. Made good isk off selling off my stuff as CCP “diminished” my assets. Kudos to them and my wallet. I sold off my ore early cause I didn’t think I might be able to transport it anymore. So no profit on that other than I guessed correctly and made good before it was stuck somewhere. Another really lucky break is none of my stuff got stuck in Trig space. I had nothing in those type of systems anyway… I resubbed this toon for another yr because of the good deal at last new yr. Ego mostly, I just want to finish off all my sub cap combat skills to 5 so when I retire and CCP **MAYBE** pull their collective heads outta their arse, I might be in a good position to resub… ---
**Author:** ![Hariet](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Hariet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hariet)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 3:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/395 "2021-02-28T03:47:55Z")
> [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](#): > > They can use _any_ type of injector. Did not know that and does not matter. They still have to pay for it = more revenue for CCP. Just the same as using expert systems. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479.md?page=20)