# Expert Systems - Coming Soon! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** official\ **Created:** [February 25, 2021, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479 "2021-02-25T12:01:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Miranda\_Farron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miranda_farron/32/250852_2.png) [@Miranda\_Farron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miranda_Farron)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/437 "2021-03-02T09:43:25Z")
> [@Tl-lOR\_Gods](#): > > The message should be EVE IS FUN, try it for free and you’ll see for yourself because we made an AWESOME new player experience. If the new players get hooked they will pay for omega, skins and other stuff eventually. You don’t have to push payment on them if they like the game. /thread ---
**Author:** ![Miranda\_Farron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miranda_farron/32/250852_2.png) [@Miranda\_Farron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miranda_Farron)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/438 "2021-03-02T09:46:49Z")
> [@Ocean\_Ormand](#): > > So now they get thrown a bunch of temporary skills - they are still going to need the isk for a barge or exploration ship or a combat ship. Then they got to fit it. And then they have to figure out what to do. … and then they fly into Low Sec because they don’t know what to do, and lose that barge 0.005 seconds after they bought it. That usually makes the average new player want to quit as the game stands now. When you add ‘I paid $ for this??’ I can’t see how they are going to feel any better. ---
**Author:** ![chez1962](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chez1962/32/480660_2.png) [@chez1962](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/chez1962)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/439 "2021-03-02T10:31:19Z")
CCP realy dont care if a new player has any fun. As long CCP get the $$$$ CCP is happy!!! ![money-gif](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/7/8/678c3ba3ffa2a095777e2e7f75585bebc83aac55.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/440 "2021-03-02T11:10:57Z")
> [@chez1962](#): > > CCP realy dont care if a new player has any fun. As long CCP get the $$$$ CCP is happy!!! That’s why I got a **mail from CCP** asking a **bunch** of questions that related to Player Retention and **New Player Experience** and what I thought was _good_ and what I thought was _bad_ and what I thought was **fair** and what I thought was **unfair** because… > [@chez1962](#): > > CCP realy dont care ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/6/9/369bf75efe8d6384669900b44d89bee7c70c1cb6.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Xanthellus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xanthellus/32/253691_2.png) [@Xanthellus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xanthellus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/441 "2021-03-02T11:23:37Z")
I’m a new player and I have a lot of fun. Perhaps it’s you. Besides, all these people complaining: if you don’t like it (which is fine), just don’t use it. Problem solved. ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/442 "2021-03-02T11:35:07Z")
> [@Xanthellus](#): > > Besides, all these people complaining Some people, you could give them the moon on a silver platter and they’d still be unhappy. Some people are SO unhappy that NO game is good enough for them. Always btch btch btch… It has to do with their **lives** , not a game. There is no pleasing these people. NO ONE is forcing anything on anybody, certainly not CCP. They’re doing their **damn best** to improve the game, they’re not wizards, they have no magic wand. I think it’s pretty ballsy and outrageous to download a game, have fun on it and then come to a forum and btch about the Devs. How ungrateful some people are is beyond my comprehension. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Creampie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/captain_creampie/32/272272_2.png) [@Captain\_Creampie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Captain_Creampie)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/443 "2021-03-02T15:43:46Z")
> [@Xanthellus](#): > > Besides, all these people complaining: if you don’t like it (which is fine), just don’t use it. Problem solved. Calling out blatant cash grab and bad corporate decision making in a game one likes and has invested a lot of time in. - lol bro y u crying bro just dont use it bro lol bro. ---
**Author:** ![chez1962](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chez1962/32/480660_2.png) [@chez1962](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/chez1962)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/444 "2021-03-02T16:07:15Z")
All CCP is doing to new bro’s playing!!! ![Jack](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/f/f/4ffa81e304bbe4a8575a75e7a4673f892b3aae7a.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Ocean\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ocean_ormand/32/206896_2.png) [@Ocean\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ocean_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/445 "2021-03-02T16:58:58Z")
> [@Vampirex](#): > > Most people don’t do PVP and don’t even go to low secs. Null secs are also empty. > Has a matter of fact the vast majority of the people live in the High sec’s. So I think they prefere to create stuff instead of destroying other persons. The idea of fun is not equal in every persons. Sure. Fun is relative. But putting aside the fact that most folk arent either pure pvp’ers or pure pve’res - they are rather a little of both - we are talking retention rates. Most people I know that pvp have been playing the game for years. Oth - time and time again I have seen pve’rs burn out doing pi or rating or mining. The pve is terrible and repetitive. What type of game is it really - where you are doing something else like netfixs when you mining or missioning etc. . . And sure most folk stay in high sec - scared of the boogeyman that lives in low and null - but that is because most folk are not exposed to low or null early in their career. Instead, they are bubble wrapped by CCP and kept from anything remotely looking like pvp. Just maybe if CCP gave people a way to taste what null and low were like in the new player experience, things would be different. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/446 "2021-03-02T17:17:23Z")
Who cares, certainly not CCP. :psyccp: ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/447 "2021-03-02T18:41:48Z")
> [@Fale\_Einn](#): > > pay to win. > [@Vampirex](#): > > lazy pay to win …to win _what_ exactly? Y’all repeating that mantra _pay to win_ but you **never** say what it is there is to win. I’d like to know, I want to win, too 🙂 > [@Ocean\_Ormand](#): > > Just maybe if CCP gave people a way to taste what null and low were like in the new player experience, things would be different. I did have taste of Null early in my NPE. Got gate-ganked right off the bat. I returned a few weeks later and gate-ganked right off the bat again. I returned a few months again and got gate-ganked right off the bat, in a free frigate no less. I learned that if you’re not part of a corporation you stay away from Null. I learned that if I want to do anything in Null without having the protection of a corporation you do it in a free frigate. People would go to Null more often if there weren’t bloodthirsty gate-campers just waiting for the next fool to jump. One of my Alt was ganked two days ago just mining in a free frigate. It’s cool, no biggie, but what does that tell me? It tells me that PvPers are bored out of their skull because they _themselves_ have built a bad reputation of Null of ganking everyone and their grandma in whatever ship is used. When that happens, it can only send one message to the adventurer who dares go to Null: _Go away and keep away_. New players and PvEers didn’t build Null bad reputation, PvPers did so it’s no use to complain about it now. PvPers made their bed now they have to lay in it. ---
**Author:** ![Ocean\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ocean_ormand/32/206896_2.png) [@Ocean\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ocean_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/448 "2021-03-02T21:11:28Z")
> [@Han\_Zealot](#): > > I did have taste of Null early in my NPE. Got gate-ganked right off the bat. > I returned a few weeks later and gate-ganked right off the bat again. > I returned a few months again and got gate-ganked right off the bat, in a free frigate no less. Obviously you learned wrong. I can understand your distaste for null given your experience but it’s easy to avoid being ganked let alone repeated ganks. Which is the point - ccp should setup a newbee area where players can experience null play without having to risk more then Their nubships so that they can learn about null without having to undergo a similar experience as the one you entailed. Just because your initial npe exposure to null was bad doesn’t mean it has to be that way for everyone evermore. ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/449 "2021-03-02T21:22:22Z")
> [@Ocean\_Ormand](#): > > Obviously you learned wrong I had no one to tell me what is what. I just went there to find out… and I did! > [@Ocean\_Ormand](#): > > I can understand your distaste for null given your experience I have no distaste for Null, I just know what to fly when I go there. I fly something I can afford to lose. > [@Ocean\_Ormand](#): > > it’s easy to avoid being ganked let alone repeated ganks I just send an Alt to scout the system. > [@Ocean\_Ormand](#): > > cp should setup a newbee area where players can experience null play without having to risk more then Their nubships so that they can learn about null without having to undergo a similar experience as the one you entailed Then we’ll have a river of tears from the ganking crowd. Ain’t never gonna happen. > [@Ocean\_Ormand](#): > > Just because your initial npe exposure to null was bad doesn’t mean it has to be that way for everyone evermore But it is bad. No one denies that Null is to be experienced when in a corporation. And everyone advises to join a corporation so Null can open up to a new player. No one disputes those facts, it’s the reality and will remain a reality as long as zKillboard exists and PvPers are in competition against each other on that website. What does someone check when someone says I’m good at EVE? zKillboard naturally. That’s what PvP is, a competition to have the most ships destroyed and the salt is icing on the cake. Those are facts, and they are undisputed. ---
**Author:** ![BruceLee\_Xadi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brucelee_xadi/32/248340_2.png) [@BruceLee\_Xadi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BruceLee_Xadi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/450 "2021-03-02T21:24:25Z")
Not a bad idea, I’m not opposed to the idea and It COULD help new players. The real problem is, what skills would you take on to make ISK? Mining? Nope… Ratting? Nope… So exploration? Sure. Missions?Maybe… Incursions? probably not with the initial investment. Capitals? Yeah no. So where does this really fit in? How does it help new players? Honestly players succeed by trying, learning, failing, succeeding and making ISK; not by being given skills. Point is, lets focus on how to get players to “make a living” in the game, and the rest falls in place. ---
**Author:** ![addelee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/addelee/32/509654_2.png) [@addelee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/addelee)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/451 "2021-03-02T23:28:59Z")
> [@Ocean\_Ormand](#): > > > [@Han\_Zealot](#): > > > > I did have taste of Null early in my NPE. Got gate-ganked right off the bat. > > I returned a few weeks later and gate-ganked right off the bat again. > > I returned a few months again and got gate-ganked right off the bat, in a free frigate no less. > > Obviously you learned wrong. I can understand your distaste for null given your experience but it’s easy to avoid being ganked let alone repeated ganks. Which is the point - ccp should setup a newbee area where players can experience null play without having to risk more then Their nubships so that they can learn about null without having to undergo a similar experience as the one you entailed. Just because your initial npe exposure to null was bad doesn’t mean it has to be that way for everyone evermore. No. Just no. Null is not meant to be safe. It’s for team play (mainly) and you have highsec where you can be as safe as you want. Han\_Zealot obviously learnt zero from being ganked like perhaps, find different routes (why are you taking gates to null? Thera and other wh’s are a thing). Dumbing down nullsec is not the answer to an increasingly dumbed down game. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/452 "2021-03-03T02:01:23Z")
> [@addelee](#): > > Null is not meant to be safe You do understand that it is a fairly decent argument that gate camps actually make Null safer at the small scale, as gate camps are almost always in the hands of the defender, since the attacker is having to move a lot more. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/453 "2021-03-03T03:46:22Z")
Cash grab. New player buys into this. But does not know enough about the game to exploit it. Does not have enough isk to experiment. Panic ensues and they buy plex to try and save the situation. Lose everything. Quit. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/454 "2021-03-03T05:55:42Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Panic ensues and they buy plex to try and save the situation. Yeah, see I just don’t see this as a common occurrence, and I think this is where the logic falls down in this argument. There is an assumption that new players will just throw dollars at the screen in panic then rage quit, and this assumption doesn’t seem borne out by anything. ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/455 "2021-03-03T08:54:07Z")
> [@addelee](#): > > Han\_Zealot obviously learnt zero from being ganked I learned plenty thank you very much. > [@addelee](#): > > like perhaps, find different routes The aim wasn’t to go _through_ Null but be _in_ Null. > [@addelee](#): > > why are you taking gates to null? Why not? I also pay my subscription just like you. It’s not _your_ game, you don’t get to tell me where I go and don’t go or what I do and don’t do. If I want to go to Null I will and you can gank me all you want in my free corvette but you can’t dictate how I play the game. Addelee obviously learned zero from reading my post… if he even understood where I was going with it. ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/456 "2021-03-03T09:03:56Z")
> [@addelee](#): > > and you have highsec where you can be as safe as you want What you talking about? Pilots can get ganked in highsec too. It’s called Suicide Ganking. Shows how much you know the game… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479.md?page=21) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479.md?page=23)