# Expert Systems - Coming Soon! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** official\ **Created:** [February 25, 2021, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479 "2021-02-25T12:01:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Miranda\_Farron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miranda_farron/32/250852_2.png) [@Miranda\_Farron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miranda_Farron)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/82 "2021-02-25T16:00:39Z")
> [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](#): > > Fatality !!! CCP wins ! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Nash\_Idaho](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nash_idaho/32/258493_2.png) [@Nash\_Idaho](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nash_Idaho)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/83 "2021-02-25T16:09:56Z")
does anyone at ccp play this game? how about you focus on making things like PVE and faction warfare good, new players wont need to “experience” more of the game if the game they are epxeriencing was more engaging. ---
**Author:** ![you\_are\_evil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/you_are_evil/32/246754_2.png) [@you\_are\_evil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/you_are_evil)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/84 "2021-02-25T16:10:12Z")
Hey folks, which picture do you find more appropriate? 😛 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/c/4/5c446373f65cd686f263172ccf9f8a14184008e5.jpeg) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/2/6/92665817b8e3d5a3e2ec9fc212fc81f72a03ec4f.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![chez1962](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chez1962/32/480660_2.png) [@chez1962](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/chez1962)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/85 "2021-02-25T16:11:47Z")
CCP = Collecting Cash Period Only playing for rl cash. Iff thats the future of EVE, the will lose loads players! ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/86 "2021-02-25T16:13:43Z")
This trash does not belong in EVE. Years ago this would have caused an uproar in the game’s population. Now the frogs have been boiled so much that it will probably pass. ![fearless](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/d/e/cdef9fda21890fd9038a521236495fbda4a21e0d.png) ![ceo](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/1/8/11882138d695034c55d6709ea9fff25d0ac7162f.png) ![monocle](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/f/8/df8b1b59d7ff74a2704ab10cdc46033e71f47e0a.png) ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/87 "2021-02-25T16:17:52Z")
I like it, for things like magic 14 or something, but not something really high up otherwise they might try it go meh this is not so great and then not try dream of it, its sometimes better to dream and appreciate it more when you get there than getting it early not finding it too great because the skill does not match the experience anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/88 "2021-02-25T16:17:59Z")
What a waste of development time and effort. “Here’s what life is like with a 7-figure salary, trophy wife and a $250k Ferrari… Now that you’ve had a taste, have fun going permanently back to your minimum wage job, no relationship and 2003 Ford Focus.” This will have the opposite effect of what is intended. ---
**Author:** ![Miranda\_Farron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miranda_farron/32/250852_2.png) [@Miranda\_Farron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miranda_Farron)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/90 "2021-02-25T16:27:48Z")
EVE is rapidly becoming the game with the most ‘spend $ to do things’ mechanics that I have ever played, and I’ve played most things that EA (most hated company on the planet due to its microtransaction obsession) ever released. Hell EVE might already be that game. Is that a good achievement? Makes me sad. Oh for the days when you had to work hard to make your character better, to become rich, to do anything. Sheer in game effort, never $. I wonder if there are any games left like that these days. /feels old. ---
**Author:** ![Herdbudn\_ot\_Zeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herdbudn_ot_zeen/32/256955_2.png) [@Herdbudn\_ot\_Zeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herdbudn_ot_Zeen)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/91 "2021-02-25T16:30:12Z")
> [@CCP\_Dopamine](#): > > We have just [announced new Expert Systems](https://www.eveonline.com/article/qp2zb5/expert-systems-coming-soon) that will be coming into the game very soon! They are designed to help rookie Capsuleers discover and experience new activities by providing specific virtual skills and skill levels for a limited time that cannot be extracted through the use of Skill Extractors. On behalf of all rookies all over New Eden, I thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/92 "2021-02-25T16:31:33Z")
Except, again, _this isn’t that_. This doesn’t remove those requirements, it just gives new players a taste, then tells them that if they want to keep getting high, they gotta be good little sp-mules just like everyone else. There’s definitely room for concern here, but nobody’s jumping ahead in line w/this crap. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Based on (1) what CCP is saying in this announcement and and (2) the skills these expert systems offer: Ok, so you’re seeing ‘lower-level activities’ and assuming that won’t mean T1 cruiser-sized hulls? Mining Barges _are_ lower-level activities. They’re not Exploration Frigates_1_, they’re not Exhumers, they’re definitely not the cetacean line. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Hoboleak skills (not necessarily the actual values that CCP adds, mind) Yeah, every time people point to hoboleaks, I’m reminded of an on-the-record sit down w/a CCP dev where he said CCP _actively_ tries to keep accurate data from being what’s on hoboleaks. While I don’t think they’re successful very often, the very fact that CCP is trying to feed hoboleaks misinformation means it can’t be cited as authoritative. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > the mining expert system also has no lvl 5s and only allows flying T1 Barges. Shockingly, the example you objected to… _was a T1 Barge__2_. Fit with faction and deadspace modules that _don’t require Vs_. > **For example, they can use this.** > > [Covetor, Deathtrap] > > ‘Aoede’ Mining Laser Upgrade > ‘Aoede’ Mining Laser Upgrade > ‘Aoede’ Mining Laser Upgrade > > Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster > > ORE Strip Miner > ORE Strip Miner > > Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II > Medium Core Defense Field Extender II > Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Go on, take a look. Using _just_ the skills in the hoboleaks entry for the mining pack, that there 1.66b ISK ‘ **GANK ME** ’ sign is totally feasible for the newbie who has some money to throw at it and get right to pulling in a _whopping_ 20.3m3/s of ore. **Four times** what a T1 venture can do! Almost _seven_ times what a starting Venture can pull in! AW YEAH, BOIEE, WE IN D’MONEY NOW! Just suckin’ down that trit… And it only cost them 688 PLEX, for $30 US. I mean, it’ll _die_ as soon as it’s ship-scanned, and a week later they’ll need to use the other 12 PLEX they’ve got left to get more ISK to try to pick up an injector… BUT IT’S NOT T2 SO THAT’S COOL, RIGHT? * * * 1. Just to be clear here, because you mention ‘T1 explo frigates’, I’m talking about the ‘Exploration Frigates’ T2 ship category. 2. Just checked, you were right, I said a T2 barge, muh bad. Point stands. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/93 "2021-02-25T16:34:07Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Go on, take a look. Using _just_ the skills in the hoboleaks entry for the mining pack, that there 1.66b ISK ‘ **GANK ME** ’ sign is totally feasible for the newbie who has some money to throw at it and get right to pulling in a _whopping_ 20.3m3/s of ore. **Four times** what a T1 venture can do! Almost _seven_ times what a starting Venture can pull in! > > AW YEAH, BOIEE, WE IN D’MONEY NOW! Just suckin’ down that trit… And it only cost them 688 PLEX, for $30 US. I mean, it’ll _die_ as soon as it’s ship-scanned, and a week later they’ll need to use the other 12 PLEX they’ve got left to get more ISK to try to pick up an injector… > > BUT IT’S NOT T2 SO THAT’S COOL, RIGHT? Well that’s just silly. Are you saying that, because a Covetor can be bling fit, that CCP is encouraging newbies to bling their ship when they get access to a Covetor? As far as I know, I could put a lot of bling on a Corvette as well. Bling has nothing to do with these Expert Systems. > [@Arrendis](#): > > 1. Just to be clear here, because you mention ‘T1 explo frigates’, I’m talking about the ‘Exploration Frigates’ T2 ship category. Well I was talking about the T1 explo frigates, because these Expert Systems do not allow newbies to fly T2 explo frigates (no level 5s!) so the newbie doesn’t have to pay for PLEX like you claim to be able to make use of their Expert Systems. ---
**Author:** ![MinorFreak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minorfreak/32/401122_2.png) [@MinorFreak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinorFreak)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/94 "2021-02-25T16:34:24Z")
clear up the typos, damnit. i’m normally pretty patient when it comes to reading typoesse, but that was a wall of typos ---
**Author:** ![you\_are\_evil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/you_are_evil/32/246754_2.png) [@you\_are\_evil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/you_are_evil)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/95 "2021-02-25T16:34:46Z")
Arrendis, how to make this small text please? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/f/3/cf367fbc58e6e1588251e53e85e2ecd57901102c.png) ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/97 "2021-02-25T16:40:25Z")
![12215701_640x640](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/3/0/c30000aeced8b3b59ff3c20184eafb79c4b6ce44.png) ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/98 "2021-02-25T16:44:08Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Well that’s just silly. Are you saying that, because a Covetor can be bling fit, that CCP is encouraging newbies to bling their ship when they get access to a Covetor? I’m saying that newbies don’t know better. I’m saying we’ve already _seen_ a ridiculous number of wallet-warriors who go and spend RL money to get bling, get it blown up, and then do it again because the most expensive crap **must** be better, right? [Just look at _this_ special fellow.](https://imperium.news/alod-pay-to-win/) He was still at it as of November, btw. 700M ISK frigates. 1b+ isk pod losses _in lowsec_. And with newbies, it just gets worse, because while this idiot’s had time to learn at least a _little_ bit… **they haven’t**. They’re trying the game out. They see green/blue/purple loot on the ‘Auction House’ and think it’s the best crap, so it’ll last! **And that’s because EVE still doesn’t teach newbies a damned thing.** So yeah. Yeah, you’ll get plenty of that. The system might as well be _designed_ to encourage it. It’s literally ‘hey! come be able to use stuff you aren’t ready to use because the game’s designed to ease you into these expensive losses, but now we’re gonna jump you on up! Thanks for your wallet!’ And yes, I know you were talking about T1, you _said_ you were talking about T1. But you and I aren’t the only ones looking at these replies. I didn’t want readers to get confused when we’re both talking about ‘exploration frigates’ and meaning totally different things. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/99 "2021-02-25T16:47:09Z")
so, what you’re looking for is some nifty stuff. There are \< sup \> and \< sub \> tags (only without the spaces, obviously) that can even be nested to get some really funky effects. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/100 "2021-02-25T16:47:37Z")
Well hopefully these Expert Systems teach newbies that extra skill levels aren’t everything they’re looking for, just that they are helpful! I once thought that skill levels matter a lot. I mean, they do, but not as much as I thought when I was a newbie. And these Expert Systems could teach that to newbies: not much changes, except you’re a bit better at it. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/101 "2021-02-25T16:50:37Z")
Wow, unbelievable… In the history of Eve, this has gotta be the worst idea ever… The only thing this ‘Expert System’ idea will do is cause even more reduction to New Player Retention. If CCP really wanted new players to have a good start into the game, they’d have all of the Magic 14 skills already fully trained with Character Creation. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/102 "2021-02-25T16:50:59Z")
Unfortunately, no, they don’t. Because there’s no context. Newbies will need to get more ISK than new pilots earn in order to take advantage of the Expert Systems. A Venture hull is 391k. A new pilot, running missions, is earning little enough that replacing a Venture takes time. That Covetor hull—just the hull—is 40M. It can take weeks to get that, the first time. Weeks. Plural. These things _only_ work if the newbie’s already got a good corp around them, giving them advice and support. Otherwise, it’s a tar pit. And if the newbie’s already got that, they’re already getting the lessons you hope this will teach, and more. I wish you were right. I really do. Legitimate newbie help/teaching aids would be _massive_. But this ain’t it. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Gauss\_Mathking](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gauss_mathking/32/258505_2.png) [@Gauss\_Mathking](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gauss_Mathking)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/103 "2021-02-25T16:53:56Z")
Hey CCP, You guys don’t sell the 1mil SP pack anymore. right If you had kept selling it, wouldn’t this have happened? Can there be other thing “newbie freindly” more than the 1 mil SP pack?? I think 2 mil SP would have been worth challenging for any content. Why do you think newbros have to “borrow” skills to challenge whatever? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479.md?page=6)