# Expert Systems - Coming Soon! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** official\ **Created:** [February 25, 2021, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479 "2021-02-25T12:01:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/145 "2021-02-25T18:40:03Z")
I think that probably these items are going to behave similarly to implants, as in they’ll be slotted and you won’t be able to have them all. Given they are used by the player in a manner similar to an implant, CCP is specifying that, like some other exceptional implants that already exist, will not be destroyed when the host body is destroyed. The skills you don’t naturally have are only accessible while the device is operating, and it has a limited life span after which only your natural skills will apply. Were it to be destroyed on death you’d lose all the skills you don’t naturally have at that time, but CCP is reassuring that you’ll get the full duration of any temporary skills you acquire via this method. ---
**Author:** ![lightair\_loka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lightair_loka/32/258526_2.png) [@lightair\_loka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lightair_loka)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/146 "2021-02-25T18:46:59Z")
Frankly one off the worst idea’s ive ever seen to fix a problem. got a problem. give people a temp fix to it and charge for it. oh and they still need to fix it them self because this is temp. if you wanted to fix a problem CCP. fix the problem. don’t make a temporary fix to it then charge for it. ever give them these skills for free ever through a choose or after a FREE trial, or but just having it at the start. or maybe just make getting these base skill easy and point the new players to the skills through the tutorial. ever way you NEED TO FIX THE PROBLEM not put a temporary band-aid on it then charge a new player for it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/147 "2021-02-25T18:48:11Z")
I guess that makes sense. Wierd way for them to say it though. ---
**Author:** ![Vintus\_Turgalium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vintus_turgalium/32/349350_2.png) [@Vintus\_Turgalium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vintus_Turgalium)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/148 "2021-02-25T18:49:18Z")
> [@Algathas](#): > > > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > > > It’s like buying a priority pass at Disneyworld > > And garbage like that is why I choose to not patronize places like Disneyworld. But there are plenty of dumb cows out there to milk so Disney rakes in the cash. On a side note Disney’s Star Wars movies blow too. Keep scifi away from Disney and Make Eve Great Again! #MEGA ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/149 "2021-02-25T18:53:02Z")
> [@Vintus\_Turgalium](#): > > Disney’s Star Wars movies blow But their long-form Star Wars (Mandalorian, Rebels, etc) have been, well, stellar. ---
**Author:** ![Vintus\_Turgalium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vintus_turgalium/32/349350_2.png) [@Vintus\_Turgalium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vintus_Turgalium)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/150 "2021-02-25T18:56:46Z")
You’re right, I forgot. But that is John Favreau’s fault, lol. He did amazing with the MCU. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/151 "2021-02-25T18:58:05Z")
I’m gonna give Dave Filoni at least 50% of the credit. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fal\_Dara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fal_dara/32/237938_2.png) [@Fal\_Dara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fal_Dara)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/152 "2021-02-25T19:01:02Z")
For those whining about it being cash only… If they can use this with plex, the freaking bot swarm will be INSTANT and massive and disposable weekly. It would become truly massive and insane. It may still really get hammered with RMT bots, but not as badly as if it was open to be used with plex. They’ve been slippin on their bot bashing game lately, and likely know the results of what would happen if this was made available with plex. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/153 "2021-02-25T19:03:19Z")
> [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > I really don’t get how dump someone must be to think that if someone finds wasting time painful, he will find wasting real money less painful. It all comes down to the price point on these. They obviously will have to be cheaper than a skill injector, or there’s no point. Skill injectors now run around 700 mil or the equivalent of a $10 plex pack. So you can expect these will cost less than $10. I think it’s safe to say that most people value their time at higher than $10 a week. > [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > Because newbies don’t understand the game and won’t understand that it’s rip off. We, people that understand the game are trying to protect them from such idiocy They will have to determine if it’s worth it for themselves. What’s a rip off for you, may not be for me, etc. > [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](#): > > Yes , in a Disneyworld where you would probably soon have the option to also buy and try gold ammo, pvp invulnerability timer, unique ships, and so on . I can see this as a next step after what they announced today . Come on, dude. Every single time they announce any kind of monetization, we get the inevitable slippery slope nonsense about gold ammo and the like. I have said this before, and I’ll say it again - the minute they cross the line when it comes to monetization, I’ll be the first person on the barracades with my pitchfork. This isn’t anywhere close to that line. > [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](#): > > Stop spinning and contradicting yourself . You leave me the impression that you actually have no clue and can’t comprehend the implications and impact on this matter. I’m not spinning or contradicting myself. I’m trying to have a conversation with folks within the confines of the NDA. Sorry if that offends you. ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/154 "2021-02-25T19:07:29Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Come on, dude. Every single time they announce any kind of monetization, we get the inevitable slippery slope nonsense about gold ammo and the like. It is you that compared Eve with Disneyworld. I just painted the picture of Eve Disneyworld for you. > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I’m not spinning or contradicting myself. I’m trying to have a conversation with folks within the confines of the NDA. Sorry if that offends you. It does not offend me at all 🙂 But if the NDA doesn’t allow full transparency for you , don’t make presumptions and speculations without hard evidence to support it. > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I have said this before, and I’ll say it again - the minute they cross the line when it comes to monetization, I’ll be the first person on the barracades with my pitchfork. This isn’t anywhere close to that line. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/f/0/4f06017352577a85714f4229f82cf0a37937adde.jpeg "The People are Revolting") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0iAcQVIokg) ---
**Author:** ![Lis\_Torin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lis_torin/32/204820_2.png) [@Lis\_Torin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lis_Torin)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/155 "2021-02-25T19:08:26Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Skill injectors now run around 700 mil or the equivalent of a $10 plex pack. 4.19$ per 3 alpha injectors. Way more than needed for those exploration skill plans and barge one. And I bet that this money grab won’t be cheaper than 5$. > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I think it’s safe to say that most people value their time at higher than $10 a week. Yet we have alpha state because people don’t want to pay 15$ **per month**. I start to wonder what is worse. This idea or your arguments… ---
**Author:** ![Vintus\_Turgalium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vintus_turgalium/32/349350_2.png) [@Vintus\_Turgalium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vintus_Turgalium)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/156 "2021-02-25T19:09:26Z")
Well, my conclusion with this new system is that it is upon this time - where developers further monetize their games by saturating us with services, and using the inexperience of the newb, it is upon that time when games decline. A decline brought on by an ill begotten relationship between the player, and the developer. You only want to help, and I understand that, I admire that. You need to keep the gears turning, and thus payment is a necessity, I understand that and accept that. Though, this game should stand on its own merits, and not hold a players right hand whilst picking his or her pocket with the left hand. It should be a firm but compassionate relationship, one where you cannot merely pay your way to success but nor do you mind paying for what HAS VALUE to you, and what value may vary between players - I value cosmetics for instance. One should not be thrown to the wolves nor coddled. It is a difficult balance to achieve, and a very rough responsibility for CCP & CSM, however if you wish to truly do right by this great community - you must take this task seriously - stay true to it. I fear this system loses sight of this important task, misconstrues it with deceptive hand-holding for money. ---
**Author:** ![Vadim\_Lobochevsky](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vadim_lobochevsky/32/255534_2.png) [@Vadim\_Lobochevsky](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vadim_Lobochevsky)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/157 "2021-02-25T19:14:33Z")
Or, you could beef up intermediate content and fix the skill system. We’ll see what comes of this, when it launches, but it seems like more wasted effort. I appreciate the intent, but doubt this is a viable solution. ---
**Author:** ![Bugger\_It](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bugger_it/32/258530_2.png) [@Bugger\_It](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bugger_It)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/158 "2021-02-25T19:23:06Z")
Boo, hate it. so now we have alt campers and gankers that are experts. no wonder i am loosing so many players to the FU CCP trend. if you want to try a ship and a full skills etc then go to SISI. So Also now can see during war time, ok corp. get your cash out we have built 1000’s of xyz ships max your skills for a month its war time… its BS if you ask me. ---
**Author:** ![BKone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bkone/32/328680_2.png) [@BKone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BKone)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/159 "2021-02-25T19:28:54Z")
But why do the Newbies have to buy it with real Money? Why can’t they get those “expert things” one of each via an agent and its okay. Taking hard money taste like a rip off. ---
**Author:** ![Leila\_Pegasus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leila_pegasus/32/443698_2.png) [@Leila\_Pegasus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leila_Pegasus)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/160 "2021-02-25T19:35:19Z")
This entire Expret system reads like something EA would do. Feels like a rip off especaly that it is only available against cash not ingame earnable. Also i would claim it will not help new players nearly as much as is advertised as skills are only a small part of the required gear for a profession. lootboxes when ? ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/161 "2021-02-25T19:35:24Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > This gives folks a way to try something without massive investment of time or money. That’s the entire point of them. Without massive amounts of money? What they get costs a good portion of a monthly sub for far less than what a monthly sub offers. ARe you sure you know what you are talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/162 "2021-02-25T19:47:05Z")
> [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](#): > > It is you that compared Eve with Disneyworld. I just painted the picture of Eve Disneyworld for you. No, I compared this pack to an upgrade that lets you skip the wait to do something you want to do. > [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](#): > > It does not offend me at all 🙂 But if the NDA doesn’t allow full transparency for you , don’t make presumptions and speculations without hard evidence to support it. Amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Miranda\_Farron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miranda_farron/32/250852_2.png) [@Miranda\_Farron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miranda_Farron)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/163 "2021-02-25T19:48:20Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > What they get costs a good portion of a monthly sub for far less than what a monthly sub offers. And it only lasts a week, important. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479/164 "2021-02-25T19:48:27Z")
> [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > 4.19$ per 3 alpha injectors. Way more than needed for those exploration skill plans and barge one. And I bet that this money grab won’t be cheaper than 5$. We’ll see. > [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > Yet we have alpha state because people don’t want to pay 15$ **per month**. > > I start to wonder what is worse. This idea or your arguments… We have the alpha state because the entire game industry has moved away from the subscription model for MMOs. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/expert-systems-coming-soon/297479.md?page=9)