# ̶F̶l̶e̶e̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ Shipping up **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [February 9, 2025, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355 "2025-02-09T16:52:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/41 "2025-02-11T12:14:10Z")
I wonder how many fleets never form or are smaller than otherwise possible because shipping up requires too much trust and/or manual input ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/42 "2025-02-11T12:16:42Z")
That’s why you tell your members to prepare their own ships in advance before the fleet. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/43 "2025-02-11T12:17:01Z")
What if they cant? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/44 "2025-02-11T12:18:00Z")
Then they buy one right at the start of the fleet. Link fits in MOTD and make sure the market is stocked. How many times will you ask that question? ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/45 "2025-02-11T12:18:15Z")
If they cant prepare their own ship in advance they should just buy one before the start? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/46 "2025-02-11T12:19:25Z")
Then they go to the forums to troll. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/47 "2025-02-11T12:27:46Z")
I cant believe we seem to disagree ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/48 "2025-02-11T12:31:01Z")
I do easily believe it, you haven’t shown to be sensible in any of your barrage of bad threads posted over the past few days with that forum alt. It’s good to ask questions, but you seem to be too stubborn to listen to the answers. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/49 "2025-02-11T12:42:53Z")
If it was simple to mass gift ships and players couldn’t get more than one easily there would be more fleet fights i think ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/50 "2025-02-11T12:50:38Z")
I doubt it. The limiting factor of fleet fights is the availability of members, not of ships. If the distribution of ships to members who are too new to afford their own ships is a bottleneck in your alliance your alliance should fix that logistical issue. As I already said, in my alliance new members can at any time ask for a bunch of free ships to last for multiple fleets, which many of the veteran players can hand out. This means that instead of one fleet commander distributing 150 ships to 150 people right at the start of a fleet, many players can hand the newbies a lot of ships so that the majority of players is prepared to go even before a fleet is called. Now you can adapt or you can keep asking the same questions that were already answered again and again. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/51 "2025-02-11T12:59:04Z")
What the heck is this guy even arguing about? - teach the member which “doctrines” you fly, order them to have at least _one_ ship that fits in to be ready in their hangar _at all times_, for the newbros, it can be a cheap one - if they really can’t afford one, _give_ them the first one for free or give them options to make big money within the alliance so they _can_ afford what you demand from them. - if they lose one, _replace_ it via SRP, quickly. - have a shared hangar with _some_ pre-fitted ships for the rare cases someone messed up or lost a ship that has not already been replaced, so these few can simply take one out of this hangar Any members who can’t follow this simple procedure simply can’t fly with the fleet. And get kicked if he isn’t willing to maintain this _basic level_ of preparation. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/52 "2025-02-11T13:01:47Z")
That is not a simple procedure and kicking people for not being able to follow it is how you end up with a member shortage and smol fleets ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/53 "2025-02-11T13:03:46Z")
Absolute Honor may have problems, but from an outsider’s perspective I don’t think ‘member shortage’ is one. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/54 "2025-02-11T13:11:11Z")
“These are the ships we fly have one of each at x station so you’re able to join fleets” This is the simplest, most common, and generally the most effective. If you’re doing a pick up fleet with a bunch of strangers like npsi but want to provide ships. Or you’re doing a last minute deployment to an unprepared area contracts are your best bet. You can simply put up the 150 ships on contract and limit who they are avaliable to. Depending on the level of security you can put them up for free even. Though i recommend putting them up at market price. After the fleet members can put up another contract to sell it back to you at the same price or link you their loss mail to be reimbursed. If you’re within a corp you can just put the needed ships in a hanger and tell people to grab what they need ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/55 "2025-02-11T13:11:54Z")
If your process for joining the corp and fleet is complicated that’s why you have a member issue and the easier it is to form fleets the more pew pew there will be. I rest my case ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/56 "2025-02-11T13:13:55Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > kicking people for not being able to follow it is how you end up with a member shortage Not kicking problem elements will lead you to a member shortage much quicker > [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > process for joining the corp and fleet is complicated You’re the only one who seems to find these simple methods to be complicated ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/57 "2025-02-11T13:16:13Z")
Its cumbersome to mass gift ships in a fast and secure manner. I rest my case ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/58 "2025-02-11T13:17:46Z")
It’s a good thing no one in this thread is telling you that’s how it’s supposed to be done then ---
**Author:** ![Angewoman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/angewoman/32/425566_2.png) [@Angewoman](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Angewoman)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/59 "2025-02-11T15:45:48Z")
I seem to recall in INNIT, they did contracts to get out to the ones who needed ships ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355/60 "2025-02-11T18:17:16Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > That is not a simple procedure and kicking people for not being able to follow it is how you end up with a member shortage and smol fleets That is a very simple procedure and kicking people that are unable to “buy a single ship and store it in their hangar” is healthy for your alliance because it increases the average skill by quite a lot. What do you want with people in your fleet who can’t even _buy a ship_ with a fitting they got linked? There is little in EVE that is easier than that. If they can’t do _that_, they will probably fail at _everything else_. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/f-l-e-e-t-i-n-g-shipping-up/476355.md?page=4)