# Faction missions are annoying **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 3, 2021, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-missions-are-annoying/318638 "2021-07-03T15:46:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-missions-are-annoying/318638/22 "2021-07-05T13:24:39Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > during epic arcs against other empires. Is this a typo? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-missions-are-annoying/318638/23 "2021-07-05T13:27:28Z")
4am when I typed that so possibly lol. But you do incur negative standings against other empires during the arcs ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-missions-are-annoying/318638/24 "2021-07-05T13:32:31Z")
I think most of those standings losses can be avoided, if you choose to. For example, the Minmatar epic missions involve a lot kiting to avoid killing Amarr ships. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-missions-are-annoying/318638/25 "2021-07-05T14:01:32Z")
Some can be, others are not. @DeMichael_Crimson do you have the info handy on what was or wasn’t avoidable losses in the arcs? ---
**Author:** ![Moriar\_theChosen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moriar_thechosen/32/368191_2.png) [@Moriar\_theChosen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moriar_theChosen)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-missions-are-annoying/318638/26 "2021-07-05T14:23:44Z")
Run Gallente and Minmatar missions like a hero and to hell with what the slavers and plutocrats think of you. ---
**Author:** ![Coritnia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/coritnia/32/255217_2.png) [@Coritnia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Coritnia)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-missions-are-annoying/318638/27 "2021-07-05T14:46:39Z")
I was diligently doing my 16 Caldari Navy missions, declining any non-pirate/drone mission, because I do like positive standings with all factions. I spent the millions of skillpoints on diplomacy and the like. But the storyline mission was against Minmatar. I sadly declined. I was mostly sad because of the waste of time in trying to bump my Caldari Navy Corp standing. So that’s what some are complaining about, being robbed of fun while engaging in activity I like. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-missions-are-annoying/318638/28 "2021-07-05T15:24:06Z")
Declining the storyline shouldn’t have hurt your navy standings ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-missions-are-annoying/318638/29 "2021-07-05T16:49:37Z")
It didn’t matter who the mission was against. You get a standings hit against the hostile factions just for completing the storyline missions. ---
**Author:** ![Moriar\_theChosen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moriar_thechosen/32/368191_2.png) [@Moriar\_theChosen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moriar_theChosen)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-missions-are-annoying/318638/30 "2021-07-05T17:20:15Z")
There are plenty of ways to get good standings with everyone. There are guides for it online. “CCP make it easier” is just the most selfish request. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-missions-are-annoying/318638/31 "2021-07-05T18:21:12Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > @DeMichael_Crimson do you have the info handy on what was or wasn’t avoidable losses in the arcs? Not offhand, I haven’t really payed any attention to it for a long time now, I do know there’s a couple missions in each arc that has unavoidable ship kills and the amount of standing loss for them is very small. I’ve found it’s best to just not waste time with them, as in trying to get around not killing them. There are a few different info guides available, I personally just use [Eve Survival](https://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReportsEpicArc) for reference. However @Sentenced_1989 might have more info about it due to recently posting his Epic Arcs Video Guide. > [@Empire level 4 epic arcs guide](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-level-4-epic-arcs-guide/66417): > > Old topic was locked, but since I already spent time on updating it, here it is again. Even though I am not actively playing the game anymore, I am still maintaining some of the old stuff and guides. The empire epic arcs have gotten a new view and I hope are more pleasant to use at this point (based on google analytics, at least around 100 people used the old ones, so I guess it is fair to post it) Link: [QSNA Epic Arcs Guide](https://www.qsna.eu/eve/epic-arcs) Also related, if you keep doing Epic Arc missions and skip any regul… And lastly for @Sharise_Dragonstar If you want to build up positive standings with all Empire Factions, I suggest checking ‘The Plan’ for more info… > [@FACTION STANDING REPAIR PLAN aka 'The Plan'](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-standing-repair-plan-aka-the-plan/8008): > > New Eden Capsuleer’s If you’re looking to travel safely through unfriendly Empire Faction space then look no further. ‘The Plan’ will help all Capsuleers to quickly gain Faction Standing with one or all Empire Factions. ‘The Plan’ [FACTION STANDING REPAIR PLAN](http://web.archive.org/web/20160225230203/https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Faction_Standing_Repair_Plan) (Right Click Link And Select ‘Open Link In New Tab’) NOTE ‘The Wayback Machine’ is used to access info contained in the discontinued Evelopedia. Skip Redirect Browser Add-on’s need to be disabled. After the ‘Faction Standing Repair Pl… ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-missions-are-annoying/318638/32 "2021-07-05T19:38:43Z")
I’ll reach out to my guys with the USIA who’ve been selling arc standings to see if anyone has something updated ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2021, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-missions-are-annoying/318638/33 "2021-10-03T19:38:46Z")
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