# Faction Warfare is dead, long live our robot overlords **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 3, 2018, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404 "2018-12-03T08:05:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Bloodclart\_Raider](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bloodclart_raider/32/108221_2.png) [@Bloodclart\_Raider](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bloodclart_Raider)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/184 "2018-12-05T16:32:21Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > I think thera are bot users who sell their LP for ISk and buy PLEX on the market or directly for CCP. Yes I am sure he manages to sub his main account but do you really think he wouldn’t be able to do that without the bots ? It’s a Mickey Mouse fantasia of automated broom sticks funneling isk to one player with zero contribution to game content. ---
**Author:** ![Venom\_Anarchy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/venom_anarchy/32/490305_2.png) [@Venom\_Anarchy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Venom_Anarchy)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/185 "2018-12-05T16:43:09Z")
Yep and you thought mission farmers were abusing the system. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/186 "2018-12-05T16:45:16Z")
To help stamp out and destroy some of the bots, have you all thought about advertising in the areas of space surrounding where FW is to try to get some hisec corps to come down and help? ---
**Author:** ![Venom\_Anarchy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/venom_anarchy/32/490305_2.png) [@Venom\_Anarchy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Venom_Anarchy)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/187 "2018-12-05T16:48:58Z")
Personally I only really catch them on stargates and in a ship that would last 5 seconds if it took gate guns so that would be impossible if they were not war targets. ---
**Author:** ![Suitonia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suitonia/32/344293_2.png) [@Suitonia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suitonia)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/189 "2018-12-05T17:01:12Z")
The Atron FW bots should be banned for now thanks to the wrath of CCP Peligro. Thanks to everyone who has been reporting them on the forums and using the ingame tool. ---
**Author:** ![Pol\_Macsliebh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pol_macsliebh/32/376245_2.png) [@Pol\_Macsliebh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pol_Macsliebh)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/190 "2018-12-05T17:14:56Z")
Yeah had a roam about and none to be seen… Good Job guys! I kind of miss the little guys(joke) ---
**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/191 "2018-12-05T17:15:58Z")
Nice nice. At least it is somewhat of a nuisance until the bots are replaced. ---
**Author:** ![Kathrine\_Natinde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kathrine_natinde/32/310878_2.png) [@Kathrine\_Natinde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kathrine_Natinde)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/192 "2018-12-05T17:47:15Z")
our sincere thanks for swinging the ban hammer on this, we will report them when they are back, i’m guessing a day or so, so that we can keep waging war on the botters. ---
**Author:** ![Aves\_Asio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aves_asio/32/109488_2.png) [@Aves\_Asio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aves_Asio)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/193 "2018-12-05T18:01:38Z")
> [@CCP\_Guard](#): > > Thank you for your feedback, help and patience on this. Patience is the greatest virtue of faction warfare players ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/194 "2018-12-05T18:07:52Z")
Thanks for posting, Guard. Keep fighting the good fight against these ■■■■■■■ bots. ---
**Author:** ![Tater-nuts](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tater-nuts/32/189043_2.png) [@Tater-nuts](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tater-nuts)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/195 "2018-12-05T18:13:02Z")
There are not only GalMil bots, but Amarr and a few Caldari bots as well. They all have the exact same fit and act the same way. I am having my best luck catching them on the gate warping into the plex. Sometimes they get stuck on the warp gate, but they always pause for about 4-5 seconds before warping into the plex, which is plenty of time to tackle. ---
**Author:** ![Kathrine\_Natinde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kathrine_natinde/32/310878_2.png) [@Kathrine\_Natinde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kathrine_Natinde)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/196 "2018-12-05T19:07:06Z")
as an amarr player i have noticed the gal mill ones the most but they all need to go, its good to hear of another on the crusade to kill, report and remove them no matter which militia they join ---
**Author:** ![Raphael\_Warborn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/raphael_warborn/32/109668_2.png) [@Raphael\_Warborn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Raphael_Warborn)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/197 "2018-12-05T19:29:37Z")
FW is starting to get pointless. Cant chase robots around all day to protect territory. Just to lose it against bots again ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_aihaken/32/92554_2.png) [@Erik\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/198 "2018-12-05T21:55:26Z")
Thank you CCP Guard, but we would only consider this a quick fix. Please, do bring a long term solution to this problem because I can assure you whoever was behind those farms can easily be back up and running again in as little as a couple days if he wants to. The warp scrambling plex rats idea the other guy had, and making plex rats overall more dynamic, was a way to start looking. Not to mention it would bring more interesting prospects for pvp, should one forget to kill the rat before warping out, for instance. I would also make rats hit a lot harder than they do currently, or even scale its dps up as they pop and the timer proceeds … Your consideration is much appreciated ! ---
**Author:** ![techzer0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/techzer0/32/101314_2.png) [@techzer0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/techzer0)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 3:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/199 "2018-12-06T03:08:36Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Three things. > > 1. ■■■■ bots. > 2. No, seriously. ■■■■ bots. Ban them all. > 3. I’ve passed this thread on to CCP and will ask about this in our meeting Friday. This is kind of nuts and needs to be addressed. I have been anti-bot for years. While I appreciate you bringing it up. I fear CCP doesn’t care. Bot use is rampant in every aspect of EVE and exposing them does nothing. The alliances allowing botting renters haven’t been zeroed out and disbanded. The market bots are still .01 isking 23/7. The FW bots are still earning tons of cash for almost no risk and massive reward. There is no end. Either the security team can’t keep up or they just ban the most blatant bots on occasion and pretend they are making a difference. I hope what you say has an effect. I doubt it though. > [@CCP\_Guard](#): > > but you can help us by keeping those bot reports coming Uh huh…start zeroing out alliances funded by bots and ill believe that. ---
**Author:** ![Eric\_Kalfren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eric_kalfren/32/110261_2.png) [@Eric\_Kalfren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eric_Kalfren)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/200 "2018-12-06T03:42:35Z")
Hmm maybe I will try FW now ---
**Author:** ![Fluffy\_Moe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fluffy_moe/32/11132_2.png) [@Fluffy\_Moe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fluffy_Moe)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/201 "2018-12-06T04:42:32Z")
> [@Venom\_Anarchy](#): > > They won’t be multiboxing, they will be running virtual operating systems otherwise they would all need to be Omega. > > ![](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fluffy_moe/40/11132_1.png) Fluffy\_Moe: You can only run so many VMs on a single machine, and if you raise the game reqs even a bit, then you won’t be able to run more then 2-3 clients per $2k PC thus crushing their ROI and making a whole lot of them pointless. Add to that after about 3 actual gaming rigs, instead of toasters you’ll actually notice your bill increase making it more unprofitable for them. > [@Venom\_Anarchy](#): > > I don’t think it is that easy to make bots that is why they have flaws thus why it seems strange that CCP has not put a spanner in their spokes I can’t give you links or site sources here (forum rules etc.), but you can do a google search, use the advanced, sort by timeframe, 6 months or a year at most so you get the recent ones, and then input filters to what comes out. See for yourself just how easy or complex it is to do. It is definetly not too complicated for someone that can code in the related fields. There are even AI suites available that some botters use for their bots. ---
**Author:** ![Venom\_Anarchy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/venom_anarchy/32/490305_2.png) [@Venom\_Anarchy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Venom_Anarchy)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/202 "2018-12-06T08:08:49Z")
> [@Fluffy\_Moe](#): > > I can’t give you links or site sources here (forum rules etc.), but you can do a google search, use the advanced, sort by timeframe, 6 months or a year at most so you get the recent ones, and then input filters to what comes out. See for yourself just how easy or complex it is to do. It is definetly not too complicated for someone that can code in the related fields. There are even AI suites available that some botters use for their bots. I found a mining automation app, it didn’t look like it required the user to enter any code and it didn’t look like it could be adapted to run FW sites very easily. ---
**Author:** ![Sepheir\_Sepheron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sepheir_sepheron/32/279597_2.png) [@Sepheir\_Sepheron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sepheir_Sepheron)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/203 "2018-12-06T08:15:12Z")
People can afford plex. Bots don’t need to exist to buy it. Probably every vet of eve with decent in game income plexes their account, or they pay directly to support CCP. Majority of them don’t bot either. ---
**Author:** ![Sophie\_Natnde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sophie_natnde/32/109297_2.png) [@Sophie\_Natnde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sophie_Natnde)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/204 "2018-12-06T09:50:00Z")
yeh, i have been paying a sub but am now starting to pay it with isk. a little extra farming and you have your plex. the botters are lazy people who don’t care about the damage they cause or profiteers that don’t care if they kill the game as long as they can make a quick buck. > [@techzer0](#): > > Bot use is rampant in every aspect of EVE and exposing them does nothing. > The alliances allowing botting renters haven’t been zeroed out and disbanded. i would love to see any accounts associated with the null sec botters gone, titans and all, for every vni bot there is bound to be a player flying in a fleet that doesn’t want to pay for plex. it may also partially answer the question some people were asking on a different thread of how to break up the big power blocks in null, would certainly cause disruption as the cheaters were removed although this is a side effect and should not be the primary motivation. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404.md?page=11)