# Faction Warfare is dead, long live our robot overlords **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 3, 2018, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404 "2018-12-03T08:05:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Janus\_Gregorian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/janus_gregorian/32/144827_2.png) [@Janus\_Gregorian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Janus_Gregorian)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/386 "2019-08-08T07:56:56Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > nd from that moment on the complains will rise that “no one does FW anymore”… Just as we don’t care about krabbers in null, we don’t care about krabbers in FW. Krabbers make everything worse. If you’re not in it for the fights or perhaps the RP back and forth, kindly get lost. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/387 "2019-08-08T07:59:39Z")
> [@Franz\_Jacob](#): > > If you want payout, you’ll have to upgrade systems and gain its perks, but not until. And everyone piles on the winning side because that’s the only way they can make some isk to replace their ships…? Talk about gaming the system.🤨 Late Edit. I took my discussion to Franz’s Thread, it was becoming offtopic here > [@Fixing Faction Warfare](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-faction-warfare/180987): > > Here’s my take on the fix, inspired from what somebody said in general forums. The main problem with FW is that is too much of a profitable activity, and heavily bottable. Remove the profit, remove the bots, and make it more about manual territory warfare again. So, in order to do that : Remove profitable LP generation from plexes. (“profitable LP”, as tied to LP store) Reduce by 3/4 the ammount of profitbale LP gains from Lvl4 missions. and stop the Tier-dependent LP gains. Create a… ---
**Author:** ![Franz\_Jacob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/franz_jacob/32/150051_2.png) [@Franz\_Jacob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Franz_Jacob)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 8:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/388 "2019-08-08T08:11:39Z")
> [@Wanda\_Fayne](#): > > And everyone piles on the winning side because that’s the only way they can make some isk to replace their ships…? > > Talk about gaming the system.🤨 You seem stuck in the idea of a fw system catering to easy isk to sustain your pew, what if I told you that this mentality needed to change and you had to sustain yourself differently to fund your pvp, like everybody else does in the game ? The perks gained from system upgrades would be nice for fw corporations as a whole, but wouldn’t be as big as to make people want to switch. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/389 "2019-08-08T08:17:34Z")
> [@Janus\_Gregorian](#): > > Just as we don’t care about krabbers in null, we don’t care about krabbers in FW. Krabbers make everything worse. If you’re not in it for the fights or perhaps the RP back and forth, kindly get lost. Well the krabbers will be you complaining that no one does FW anymore…really bad own goal buddy 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/390 "2019-08-08T08:19:02Z")
Ffs he doesnt even know what a krab is. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Drifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_drifter/32/514870_2.png) [@Dark\_Drifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Drifter)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/391 "2019-08-08T08:23:38Z")
could a potential fix for the bot issue be. capture points within each site. so you dont just have to be in range of 1 becon, could be on a random timer, site progress halts until you park your self next to the correct one. ?? would make the site more engaging for the Player and harder to program for the bot? ---
**Author:** ![Franz\_Jacob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/franz_jacob/32/150051_2.png) [@Franz\_Jacob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Franz_Jacob)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/392 "2019-08-08T10:45:37Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > Well the krabbers will be you complaining that no one does FW anymore…really bad own goal buddy 🙂 You seem so fixated on the idea that the sole reason one would go to FW is to first have easy access to fund his pvp fix. Although that may be true for a lot of new players, it is also very untrue for the many who have already found alternative incomes to fund their pvp, and just prefer the lowsec environment to find good fights in. In fact, most people who stick around FW long term are in it only for the fun fights to be had, because the expenses they get, are funded by other means, LP is merely a plus. Not to mention, converting LP for a good profit, you have to wait until the empire tide changes to make a good turnover (6 months up to a year wait) and it can become one logistical ■■■■■ as opposed to setting up a constant and alternative raw isk income. Tldr: Your views about the incentive to pvp in FW are misguided. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/393 "2019-08-08T11:03:27Z")
> [@Franz\_Jacob](#): > > =_“I demand you do it my way !!!”_ Like so many other self-entitled players, you want CCP to change the game to cater for your own style of play, while removing other’s preferred playstyles (yes, I do collect LP as well as fight in FW). It’s not _your_ EVE alone , it’s here for _all of us_. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/394 "2019-08-08T11:07:59Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > it’s here for Hilmar Ftfy. ---
**Author:** ![Franz\_Jacob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/franz_jacob/32/150051_2.png) [@Franz\_Jacob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Franz_Jacob)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/395 "2019-08-08T11:10:32Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > Like so many other self-entitled players, you want CCP to change the game to cater for your own style of play, while removing other’s preferred playstyles (yes, I do collect LP as well as fight in FW). It’s not _your_ EVE alone , it’s here for _all of us_ . Except that, “your way” + the rise of automated intelligence = A Dead, bot-infested FW. Literally all the friends and pilots who once actively played the territory control game, manually, in fleets, they left, as there is no point to territory control anymore. I propose something new to rid ourselves of that problem and make territory control a thing again. And if your playstyle gets affected in the crossfire, just learn to adapt, because _all_ of us would rather see a working FW mechanic than a broken one catering to a bot-farming minority. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/396 "2019-08-08T16:32:09Z")
> [@Franz\_Jacob](#): > > You seem so fixated on the idea that the sole reason one would go to FW is to first have easy access to fund his pvp fix. > > Although that may be true for a lot of new players, it is also very untrue for the many who have already found alternative incomes to fund their pvp, and just prefer the lowsec environment to find good fights in. > > In fact, most people who stick around FW long term are in it only for the fun fights to be had, because the expenses they get, are funded by other means, LP is merely a plus. > > Not to mention, converting LP for a good profit, you have to wait until the empire tide changes to make a good turnover (6 months up to a year wait) and it can become one logistical ■■■■■ as opposed to setting up a constant and alternative raw isk income. > > Tldr: > Your views about the incentive to pvp in FW are misguided. Really? So you think making something less profitable and “just for fun” will make more people to do it? In what world do you live? ONLY events that are PROFITABLE(drop something valuable f.e.) are played. “Just for fun” is a minority thing,was,is and ever will be. The question for the majority is “what it is good for” and “what do i gain from it”… Otherwise it will be left alone to do more profitable stuff… ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Xavis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_xavis/32/152086_2.png) [@Paul\_Xavis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Xavis)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/397 "2019-08-08T16:57:08Z")
FOB’s Resource Wars Just to start with activities that are dead because no reward. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/398 "2019-08-08T17:06:58Z")
Exactly… But they don’t see it…all they want is “demanding PVP”…this is all that counts…the game itself does not matter as long as there is “demanding PVP”. “Just for fun” is no bait for anyone beside them… ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/399 "2019-08-08T17:44:06Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > > [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > > > it’s here for Hilmar > > Ftfy. Nonsense. My name isn’t Hilmar, and it’s here for _me_ (amongst thousands of others). ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/400 "2019-08-08T17:45:53Z")
Does this also mean you think businesses are set up with the primary purpose of providing you with a good or service? EvE exists to make him (and now PA) money. The fact it entertains us is utterly secondary. ---
**Author:** ![Franz\_Jacob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/franz_jacob/32/150051_2.png) [@Franz\_Jacob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Franz_Jacob)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/401 "2019-08-08T20:43:18Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > Really? > > So you think making something less profitable and “just for fun” will make more people to do it? > > In what world do you live? > > ONLY events that are PROFITABLE(drop something valuable f.e.) are played. > > “Just for fun” is a minority thing,was,is and ever will be. > > The question for the majority is “what it is good for” and “what do i gain from it”… > > Otherwise it will be left alone to do more profitable stuff… Ive just one word for you: Loot. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/402 "2019-08-09T06:46:41Z")
The business wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t here to provide us with a good or service in order to entertain us - that’s how it makes him and PA money. QED If it didn’t entertain us there wouldn’t be any money for them. It’s here for me because I’m entertained by it, is that not the case for you ? ---
**Author:** ![Compo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/compo/32/167680_2.png) [@Compo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Compo)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/403 "2019-08-09T07:12:45Z")
I’ve not read all responses cause Drink = who cares BUT CCP will NEVER act on bots that pay real money in subscription END STORY when people understand this eve will become more tolerant ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/404 "2019-08-09T08:17:29Z")
It wouldnt be here if it didnt make money. Plenty of things you pay for that arent entertaining, and Im entertained by your trying to paint businesses as charitable for free. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-warfare-is-dead-long-live-our-robot-overlords/124404/405 "2019-08-09T09:31:24Z")
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