# Factional Civil War **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [December 5, 2024, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288 "2024-12-05T18:41:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jabali\_Javee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jabali_javee/32/416429_2.png) [@Jabali\_Javee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jabali_Javee)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/21 "2024-12-06T10:23:13Z")
> [@Jabali\_Javee](#): > > **SHORT EXPLANATION FOR FIVE YEAR OLDS:** > My vision for this is that attackers and defenders wouldn’t need an upwell structure. The only requirement for the new war declaration system would be having ties to the warzone. It’s quite similar to the old system, but now it’s confined to groups that are already engaged in perpetual conflict, as they are part of faction warfare > > Fully enlisted corporations can wardec and assist any corporation tied to the warzone. Corporations with only ties to the warzone cannot attack, they can only be assisted. > > Corporations without full enlistment but with structures in the warzone, or corporations with any Upwell structures anywhere that have individually enlisted members, should be wardecced by fully enlisted corporations. I edited the thread just to be sure I am being straight to the point here. Enlisted corporations will have the power of the new system. This seems fair, as it targets those already at war, without affecting newbro and carebear corporations in highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/22 "2024-12-06T15:47:36Z")
Appreciate the ELI5, but I think it should have also included the _motivation_ for your proposal, which is (as I understand it) to counter seagulling in FW plexes without taking a standings hit for shooting blues. If that’s the goal, I feel like there are probably less complicated ways of doing that, with less potential for unforeseen side-effects. For example, in a [recent Reddit thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1h7g57k/crazy_ideas_to_discourage_fw_awox_tell_me_what/) about FW awoxing, there was a sidebar about seagulling and one suggestion was to add individual timers to the plex so that the LP split was proportional based on time present for the capture. Someone there for the full duration would get the lion’s share of LP, and someone who popped in just before the capture finished would get very little. Such a change would probably put an end to the practice without having to make sweeping changes to wardec mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/23 "2024-12-06T18:27:58Z")
was there someone confused with your original post? ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/24 "2024-12-06T18:28:47Z")
right my point was just that they were never really all that oppressive to begin with ---
**Author:** ![Jabali\_Javee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jabali_javee/32/416429_2.png) [@Jabali\_Javee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jabali_Javee)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/25 "2024-12-06T21:07:14Z")
I don’t think it was, but after reading multiple times I figured I should have been more direct for the people who will read this in the future ---
**Author:** ![Jabali\_Javee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jabali_javee/32/416429_2.png) [@Jabali\_Javee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jabali_Javee)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/26 "2024-12-06T21:25:15Z")
People’s ideas and views about awoxing over there in Reddit are not very attractive, not to say terrible. My goal is simply giving the power of war to militias, so they solve their differences in most cases: - helping with awoxing too - killing farmy alts from the NPC corps - killing extreme voiceful seagulls who keep trash taking everybody in local and seagulling in frigates over and over everyday - dealing with neutrals in the warzone - wardeccing entire toxic alliances who are putting their fingers in the warzone, even go to Jita 44 and kill their haulers - empowering small militia corps and letting them kill more people including in highsec - letting militias defend highsec holding corps Etc, it is pretty much for bringing content Nullsec has the power over space and super industry Highsec has the power of CONCORD on their side Militias have what? Nothing, they have nothing, so give the militias the power of war ---
**Author:** ![Ayakana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ayakana/32/454899_2.png) [@Ayakana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ayakana)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/27 "2024-12-19T12:34:20Z")
Disagree as stated in the other thread. This won’t fix awoxing. Your ideas won’t happen as they are too complicated and it’s already set in stone that corporations without structures can’t be wardec’d Wardecs will only empower awoxers to wage war on every one in the militia and create confusion on who is or isn’t an ally. Simple fix is to require personal standing instead of corporation standing to join militia and to raise the minimal standing to 0.0 for pirate militias. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/28 "2024-12-19T16:27:31Z")
> [@Ayakana](#): > > Wardecs will only empower awoxers to wage war on every one in the militia and create confusion on who is or isn’t an ally. Lol nah, this is how it used to work and it was fine. I’m not sure how you think it would create more confusion. War target is war target ---
**Author:** ![Ayakana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ayakana/32/454899_2.png) [@Ayakana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ayakana)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/29 "2024-12-19T16:32:47Z")
If it was fine, then why was it changed? Just looks like you want more power to attack friendly milita. You can already do this by creating a small corporation and diluting the average corp standing with alphas… ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/30 "2024-12-19T17:06:58Z")
> [@Ayakana](#): > > If it was fine, then why was it changed? It was caught in the crossfire with ccp trying to fix hs war decs. What kind of question is this. “If whs were fine why did ccp change pos” ---
**Author:** ![Kong\_iBUN](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kong_ibun/32/444727_2.png) [@Kong\_iBUN](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kong_iBUN)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/31 "2024-12-19T17:07:40Z")
I feel like militias should be encouraged to work together with their comrades, not given tools to awox each other more efficiently. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/32 "2024-12-19T17:08:40Z")
You don’t play in fw much do you? ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/33 "2024-12-19T17:09:54Z")
What is FW AWOX’ing primarily a symptom of? • Those players are generally just a\*\*holes? • Not enough things to shoot at with minimal effort? • Other groups (null, etc.) trying to “stir the pot”? • All of the above? And for the record, I don’t do much FW (or at least haven’t in a few years). Just curious where the problem lies… ---
**Author:** ![Kong\_iBUN](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kong_ibun/32/444727_2.png) [@Kong\_iBUN](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kong_iBUN)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/34 "2024-12-19T17:12:23Z")
Lack of consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Jabali\_Javee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jabali_javee/32/416429_2.png) [@Jabali\_Javee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jabali_Javee)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/35 "2024-12-19T17:16:27Z")
Let’s talk about these points. The thing is a real awoxer brings wartargets, neutrals and purples against you, so you can’t fight them efficiently if you don’t have a wardec. The awoxers don’t need a wardec against you, they are already engaged against you, you are already at loss. However, if you could wardec them you could kill all the alts, even the ones with positive standings that are holding their corp in the militia, and if they have mining alts in highisec you can go after them too. It’s just fair ---
**Author:** ![Jabali\_Javee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jabali_javee/32/416429_2.png) [@Jabali\_Javee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jabali_Javee)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/36 "2024-12-19T17:17:35Z")
They are playing their own side only, well it is a sandbox we shouldn’tt except that everybody falls in line right ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/37 "2024-12-19T17:18:19Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > • Those players are generally just a\*\*holes? > • Not enough things to shoot at with minimal effort? > • Other groups (null, etc.) trying to “stir the pot”? > • All of the above? Well no… Its primarily (in current eve) a symtom of rmt. The main groups doing it are doing it as their livelihood. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/38 "2024-12-19T17:19:15Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > Well no… Its primarily (in current eve) a symtom of rmt. The main groups doing it are doing it as their livelihood. You’ll have to expand on this a bit for me. The main groups AWOX’ing or the main groups doing FW? And is the AWOX’ing screwing up the RMT you’re alluding to? ---
**Author:** ![Jabali\_Javee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jabali_javee/32/416429_2.png) [@Jabali\_Javee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jabali_Javee)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/39 "2024-12-19T17:19:40Z")
If we can freely wardec others we can run the law by our own accord and people will meet the consequences, the game will have more sand added to the sandbox ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288/40 "2024-12-19T17:20:59Z")
The awoxers. They aren’t pushing for either side they are just there for the lp. This is why allied militia members are the ones the attack in order to limit how much lp the awoxer loses as well as limit how much lp the rest of their faction generates. Most of these awoxers are also running massive groups of bots. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/factional-civil-war/470288.md?page=3)