# Feedback - Lets get real. Nullsec botting is of epic proportions **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [August 20, 2020, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/feedback-lets-get-real-nullsec-botting-is-of-epic-proportions/261454 "2020-08-20T01:37:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/feedback-lets-get-real-nullsec-botting-is-of-epic-proportions/261454/41 "2020-08-27T16:51:12Z")
> [@I\_amAlone](#): > > Can you tell me a sistem were i can find bots? > **[DOTLAN EveMaps: Map: Oasa](https://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Oasa#npc24)** > > DOTLAN EveMaps is the leading online/interactive map/alliance/corporation resource database for Eve Online ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/feedback-lets-get-real-nullsec-botting-is-of-epic-proportions/261454/42 "2020-08-27T16:53:14Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Are you telling me that, when I immediately recall my drones on my very young mining alts and warp this group back to the safety of tether when I see a neutral player enter system, I’m a bot? Not to mention, an overwhelming majority of nullsec alliances (worth their salt) have an intel channel where they share locations of hostiles. If I see a hostile coming towards the system that my alts are farming in, you bet I’m gonna be preparing, paying attention, and then warping off asap. This is the case for almost every single nullsec alliance that I can think of. The best thing to do if you think someone is a bot is to report them as a bot (just once, don’t spam it), and then move on. ---
**Author:** ![Dragos\_Highwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragos_highwind/32/170517_2.png) [@Dragos\_Highwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragos_Highwind)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/feedback-lets-get-real-nullsec-botting-is-of-epic-proportions/261454/43 "2020-08-27T16:58:22Z")
Reinstate blackout, remove mindlessly grinding stupidly easy NPC from Sov mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Lloyd\_Roses](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lloyd_roses/32/244283_2.png) [@Lloyd\_Roses](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lloyd_Roses)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/feedback-lets-get-real-nullsec-botting-is-of-epic-proportions/261454/44 "2020-08-30T17:31:50Z")
bots can dscan relentlessly while the player might decide ‘not worth’ ---
**Author:** ![doodel\_danger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doodel_danger/32/254134_2.png) [@doodel\_danger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/doodel_danger)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/feedback-lets-get-real-nullsec-botting-is-of-epic-proportions/261454/45 "2020-09-02T07:35:16Z")
Imagine if eve had an adaptive AI that would see what you do and retaliate. Or learn off other people who do sites. Could make it more different I suppose. Tho that’s my opinion. Call it trash if you want ---
**Author:** ![Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brewlar_kuvakei/32/422694_2.png) [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brewlar_Kuvakei)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/feedback-lets-get-real-nullsec-botting-is-of-epic-proportions/261454/46 "2020-09-02T11:33:24Z")
CCP have always been dog trash with botting and act like Nazi’s when it comes to RMT. RMT which maybe legal in your province in line with your statutory rights that cannot be deminished by any EULA. All major null entity have a botting backbone. Without a server restart it would actually be unfair to new null players to harshly enforce a ban on bots as they would never catch up. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Magni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_magni/32/515769_2.png) [@Dark\_Magni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Magni)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/feedback-lets-get-real-nullsec-botting-is-of-epic-proportions/261454/47 "2020-09-03T11:10:00Z")
> [@Yersynia\_Pestis](#): > > a) PA is completely happy when the server is full, regardless of whether it is 50% bots (see Black Desert or similar). > b) Updates and innovations have been brought into play for years. > Great, but these expansions will not be completed, after years ! (Citadellen) > c) The revision of the chat system has clearly shown that CCP does not master its own code, or has obviously spared out the documentation while creating the software. > > A few examples more ? > > Any use for the Widow ? > Does it make sense to use ECM or combat modules on Citadel? > Daily LogIn presents for Alpha-Clones that they can not use? > Change and Reset the Project Discovery ? > Any use for Combat Ceptors ? PA is the shareholder, and CCP follows the direction of its corporate directors. It is not in their best interest to fill EVE to the rafters with bots because it destroyers the in game experience for paying customers in various ways. With respect to project errors or abandoned projects, CCP may be rationing their resources to focus on the most important areas and this is reasonable. Things that are not important get fixed over timeframes that are economical. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Magni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_magni/32/515769_2.png) [@Dark\_Magni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Magni)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/feedback-lets-get-real-nullsec-botting-is-of-epic-proportions/261454/48 "2020-09-03T11:14:35Z")
> [@Alex\_Dicer](#): > > I’ve seen this. > > Needlejack into system \> ton of wrecks and a couple of Gilas on d-scan \> then there is 8 of them and they all are landing on the same station. And when you are reaching for the local window to check out the toons, they all start logging off… > > Like a bunch of roaches. And you see this over and over again. Makes me sick. > > They aren’t even hiding sometimes. Just check out this corp’s name for example: [https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98649481/](https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98649481/) > > - **About the solution presented: drone autoaggro is an advanced and quite used PvP mechanic. Full stop, innit?..** > > For example, you predict when jam drones are about to go on you and pull out your combat ones just before. There are a bunch of other examples, no need to list them all though. > > And, before trying to continue on this and similar lines of thought… **There are exploration bots out there, you know?** Unless you put a hard captcha on every bottable PvE reward… Well even doing that will only limit the problem. Might have to be done though. > > Only way I see to be (very) remotely feasible is to make each anomaly into freaking literall random labyrinth by collidables, so you have to Q-align or keyboard navigate yourself through. This will make both people and bots stop farming them, problem solved… /s > > One thing I’m certain of… CCP should be stricter to botters and all who profit from it. Like… Chineese government strict. Hands should be cut. Toons - banned. Alliances - disbanded. You sometimes gotta amputate rotting parts for the whole to survive. I’ve saw bots in every single alliance worth mentioning though (or in their space at least)… Hey m8. It is frustration that the in game experience of attacking the bot ratters is that they scurry away like roaches at speeds that no human could match or counter. This is why it needs to be fixed. However please note that the primary argument for eliminating the bots is to stop the damage they do to the eve economy. It is not a sophisticated position for us to take, to want the ratters easier to catch because that at base is griefing. RE the brutal response to people that profit from bots, I think they already are that way no? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/feedback-lets-get-real-nullsec-botting-is-of-epic-proportions/261454/49 "2020-09-03T14:00:22Z")
Did you know that you switch to local as soon as you begin the jump? You are in your new local for the entire duration of the jump tunnel and loading sequence. The people on the other side of the gate have quite a head start. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/feedback-lets-get-real-nullsec-botting-is-of-epic-proportions/261454/50 "2020-09-03T14:19:18Z")
Needlejacking is not gate jumping. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2020, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/feedback-lets-get-real-nullsec-botting-is-of-epic-proportions/261454/51 "2020-09-03T16:47:28Z")
> [@Wanda\_Fayne](#): > > Needlejacking Did you know that you still appear in local before the needlejack jumping animation completes as well? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/feedback-lets-get-real-nullsec-botting-is-of-epic-proportions/261454/52 "2020-09-04T06:58:52Z")
[https://www.newedenpost.com/2020/09/the-rise-of-botting-and-the-failure-of-ccp-an-uphill-battle-behind-the-scenes/](https://www.newedenpost.com/2020/09/the-rise-of-botting-and-the-failure-of-ccp-an-uphill-battle-behind-the-scenes/) Botting still rampant. But CCP would rather kill high sec than do something about null ratting. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/feedback-lets-get-real-nullsec-botting-is-of-epic-proportions/261454/53 "2020-12-03T06:58:54Z")
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