# First CSM Summit Meeting Minutes **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** devblog, csm\ **Created:** [September 27, 2019, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645 "2019-09-27T11:39:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Eadwulf\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eadwulf_ronuken/32/378790_2.png) [@Eadwulf\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eadwulf_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/524 "2019-10-11T12:24:28Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > I thought it was ‘Hooliganism on skates’ ? Hooliganism? When they get in fights wearing helmets and heavy pads. Those are some powder-puff class hooligans. Ice hockey is just figure skating with sticks. ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/525 "2019-10-11T12:27:38Z")
Really i want you to say that to their face and show me how many teeth you have left after that. ---
**Author:** ![Eadwulf\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eadwulf_ronuken/32/378790_2.png) [@Eadwulf\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eadwulf_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/526 "2019-10-11T12:30:25Z")
If I can wear a full hockey get-up at the time, sure. ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/527 "2019-10-11T12:33:58Z")
Lol ok fine, youll still be missing teeth and prolly have a cracked skull. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/528 "2019-10-11T17:07:52Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > I thought it was ‘Hooliganism on skates’ ? Not anymore. Stupid NHL took the _good_ bits out. > [@Jeremiah\_Saken](#): > > It’s hard to tell why those hulls get there. Is it because nobody bothers to put mobile bubbles to the gates because nullified ceptors will pass them anyway? After nullified ceptors were introduced gate camping died. They’re there for the same reason cynos can still get where they need to go: getting around bubblecamps isn’t impossible, and it’s not even particularly _difficult_ if you have half a brain. As for gate camps dying… I heartily encourage you to go to HED-GP through Keberz on Saturday evenings. Say ‘hi’ to @Brisc_Rubal while you blow up. > [@Eadwulf\_Ronuken](#): > > The Patriots have been the dominant team for years and almost everyone hates them The Pats are basically football’s version of the New York Yankees: A solid organization with a proven record that has engendered legions of puffed-up, overly-entitled fans. And it’s the _fans_ who contribute more to the team being hated than the team itself does. Though, Belichick does quite a lot on his own there. The one thing he never learned from Parcells was how not to be a douche to the rest of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Eadwulf\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eadwulf_ronuken/32/378790_2.png) [@Eadwulf\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eadwulf_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/529 "2019-10-11T18:33:34Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > The Pats are basically football’s version of the New York Yankees That made me throw up a little in my mouth… comparing any Boston team to the effin’ Yankess of all things. And I don’t even like baseball. You’re a New Yorker, aren’t you? 🙂 > [@Arrendis](#): > > … that has engendered legions of puffed-up, overly-entitled fans. Hey, do you remember the Pats _before_ Brady? The Steve Grogan era, perhaps? We’ve paid our dues with sucky teams. Let us enjoy the moment; B & B will retire soon enough. Jeez, you’d think the Patriots were Goons or something. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/530 "2019-10-11T19:22:39Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Not anymore. Stupid NHL took the _good_ bits out. what happen? No more brawls? > [@Arrendis](#): > > As for gate camps dying… I heartily encourage you to go to HED-GP through Keberz on Saturday evenings. Say ‘hi’ to @Brisc_Rubal while you blow up I just remember more of them. It’s been a long time since I explore NS. > [@Arrendis](#): > > The Pats are basically football’s version of the New York Yankees: A solid organization with a proven record that has engendered legions of puffed-up, overly-entitled fans. And it’s the _fans_ who contribute more to the team being hated than the team itself does. Though, Belichick does quite a lot on his own there. The one thing he never learned from Parcells was how not to be a douche to the rest of the game. People seems to underestimate Belichick role. He’s the Brain. Like with last match with GIants. First half was not so good, Giants didn’t shine either. They were crushed in second. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/531 "2019-10-11T22:03:00Z")
> [@Eadwulf\_Ronuken](#): > > You’re a New Yorker, aren’t you? 🙂 A Mets fan, yeah. > [@Eadwulf\_Ronuken](#): > > Hey, do you remember the Pats _before_ Brady? The Steve Grogan era, perhaps? We’ve paid our dues with sucky teams. Let us enjoy the moment; B & B will retire soon enough. Yep. I do. I also remember the Yankees during the 70s and 80s. Even good orgs have bad periods. I don’t have any problem with the Pats org. I don’t even have a problem with the Yankees organization… ok, I don’t have a _big_ problem with the Yankees organization. I take issue with their fans—the spoiled, entitled jerks who decide the whole season was a waste if they didn’t win the Superbowl, or the World Series. The ones who keep it in perspective, and remain decent sports fans? Hey, I hope they enjoy it. It’s been a good run. The jackasses, though? Yeah, they make us pretty much hate the Pats, just like those of us in the Flushing crowd hate the guys who play in the Bronx. > [@Jeremiah\_Saken](#): > > People seems to underestimate Belichick role. I don’t underestimate Belichick at all. He’s a brilliant head coach. He’s also a jackass. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/532 "2019-10-14T07:05:42Z")
[Eadwulf Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eadwulf_Ronuken) [Jeremiah Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken) [Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis) Thanks guys, being an Aussie I really have no idea what you are talking about “West Tigers all the way” but this was a nice change from everyday posting 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/533 "2019-10-14T07:46:01Z")
Completely normal. Thats why EvE has gone to crap. less than 12% of the games population are telling CCP what needs to be done. Well at least the Null sec people should be happy about driving off paying customers so their PLEX costs them more isk. ---
**Author:** ![Alex\_Ph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alex_ph/32/468923_2.png) [@Alex\_Ph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alex_Ph)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/534 "2019-10-15T17:11:21Z")
While that may be a good idea that I would also support, it’s just not possible on the scale of Eve. It would generate extra lag in a fight of hundreds to thousands and everyone hates TiDi. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/535 "2019-10-15T19:40:34Z")
> [@Mark\_Marconi](#): > > less than 12% of the games population And where are you getting _that_ figure from? ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/536 "2019-10-15T21:44:10Z")
I’m curious too, I would have thought it to be far less than 12% ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/537 "2019-10-15T22:30:58Z")
I would have gone with a higher number, like 20-30% ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/538 "2019-10-15T23:07:58Z")
Player population, or character population? ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/539 "2019-10-15T23:12:10Z")
null sec player population, I would say. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/540 "2019-10-16T06:12:22Z")
Well as you are a CSM, you figure it out. Here is a hint CSM published it but even that is being VERY optimistic. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/541 "2019-10-16T06:38:01Z")
Since warp changes are live NDA still stands? Can we discuss what was bringed up at summit? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/542 "2019-10-16T12:33:29Z")
We can discuss the warp changes. One thing being released doesn’t uncover everything else ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645/543 "2019-10-16T16:24:50Z")
Is there any point in discussing anything in the summit minutes? The NDA precludes the CSM releasing anything that can have an effect on player-game interaction: - All the talking points in the minutes that touch upon changes to game play or game environment are not covered by the NDA, therefore are not going to be included in the game anytime soon or are not of great import - Its just blog waffle [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645.md?page=26) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-csm-summit-meeting-minutes/192645.md?page=28)