# First gates shutting down **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 12, 2020, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808 "2020-10-12T12:26:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808/102 "2020-10-13T17:00:31Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/4/0477d852ad904e85443550529a091c5a366e0ca5.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808/103 "2020-10-13T17:05:59Z")
Finally something interesting is happening in EVE. New space to explore. What is not to like? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808/104 "2020-10-13T17:13:09Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Finally something interesting is happening in EVE. New space to explore. What is not to like? the required PVE grind to enjoy the new content ? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808/105 "2020-10-13T17:36:10Z")
> [@Gaius\_Mileghere](#): > > “Didn’t receive any messages”? Bull puck. Like I said I only found out about it due to this thread. I was in-game for 2 hours before I posted that comment and during that time I didn’t receive any in-game notifications. Also didn’t receive any Email notice or see any warning on the Launcher. So you can take your Bull Puck and … ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808/106 "2020-10-13T17:41:44Z")
> [@Pierre\_de\_Bricassart](#): > > There was a hint in an official project report months ago, that this would happen in later stages of the event. A hint? In a project report? From months ago? Sorry but I’m not going to memorize every little hair-brained idea CCP proposes, especially with their track record. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808/107 "2020-10-13T18:03:11Z")
Explain ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808/108 "2020-10-13T18:05:06Z")
> [@Pro-Triglavians should not be able to enter Edencom Fortress systems](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pro-triglavians-should-not-be-able-to-enter-edencom-fortress-systems/273216/4): > [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/optimized/3X/5/5/55b210b46bc24f1a531223a6cc500e0a7eac6ab7_2_666x500.jpeg) ](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/optimized/3X/5/5/55b210b46bc24f1a531223a6cc500e0a7eac6ab7_2_666x500.jpeg) You cannot use the gate network in trig space unless you have ground a lot of pro-trig standing. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808/109 "2020-10-13T18:07:31Z")
what the lady said 👆 ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808/110 "2020-10-13T20:50:50Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > If you ignore 3/4 of a statement you will often end up misinterpreting it. The 6-month login average on EVE Offline is 33k. The 1-month average (in a traditionally higher month) is 25k. What part of those numbers “do not align” for you? You are completely misusing this resource. The average it shows you is the average of all the datapoints. Since the data point is the maximum of the time unit, the smaller time window shows smaller time units and the effect of the daily login cycle becomes apparent and drags down the total average. That means the average of the more recent time windows with higher resolution of the PCU are _always_ lower than at long time scales. Just look at the 1y chart: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/1/21cbf6ecfe21fcb82c8e6384f4f3884a4c964a28.png) Clearly the numbers are up, in the last year. There is no doubt. Further, CCP shared even better statistics during their [last Twitch broadcast](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/751743497?t=0h49m20s): ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/d/6d930c2c659dcc57a208ad0a298eae20f4e8834e.jpeg) Eve is retaining long term players better than anytime in recent memory. And if you want to cite the MER, the ISK delta number, the key metric in seeing how many players are going inactive (or returning) was actually quite good in August: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/6/c63ff766be7b3d92086675e7fd91620b58c3bc12.png) Only a net 15T ISK went dormant in August, which is very low compared to some months in the past. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > The point is that people like Black Pedro and CCP who think the recent changes to the game are ‘better for the game’ are proven incorrect by CCP’s own numbers. The game is _fine_. And by all important metrics - player count, activity and even [CCP’s earnings](https://nosygamer.blogspot.com/2020/08/putting-eve-onlines-first-half-of-2020.html). You don’t have to like the recent changes, but stop falsely claiming the game is dying or something. No doubt CCP has benefited from a few things out of their control like a pandemic and a nullsec war, but Eve is on a trajectory upward again so you gotta put the “Eve is Dying” card back on the shelf for now. Come on, new space! Are you so bitter that doesn’t excite you just a little? ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808/111 "2020-10-13T21:20:56Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > Come on, new space! Are you so bitter that doesn’t excite you just a little? After a fundamentally flawed, terribly programmed, horrendously bug-ridden, utterly grindy, utterly unrewarding, biased against certain factions, flawed against certain factions and many other bad things period of forced PVE, during which the invaders have not had to endure any meaningful consequences and still do not have to endure any meaningful consequences while Edencom players lost space, have no station access in Trig space (understandably) and Edencom still holds the bug-ridden end of the stick. My excitement is rather … how should I put it … as scarce as ores should be in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808/112 "2020-10-13T21:27:10Z")
Pucker up, all you gotta do now is spend three months killing drifters! ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808/113 "2020-10-13T21:27:55Z")
I want to support drifters. Quite honestly. They were fun (even though they killed Jamyl), but after this bovine waste against Trigs, I wholeheartedly want to support drifters. And Sansha’s Nation. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2020, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808/114 "2020-10-13T21:31:04Z")
CCP wants us to all destroy our drifter standing before they introduce that option 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808/115 "2020-10-14T01:56:13Z")
or rogue drones… apparently there is derived standing that goes positive towards edencom and trig if you kill rogue drones. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808/116 "2020-10-14T11:09:24Z")
Wow, that is pretty dumb ---
**Author:** ![Skip\_Lorry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skip_lorry/32/244808_2.png) [@Skip\_Lorry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skip_Lorry)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808/117 "2020-10-15T15:34:55Z")
> [@Orny](#): > > Agree, i’ve been playing EVE since 2007 and these changes are going to make the game more exciting, more like the real world where countries (read for systems) will only be accessable to certain people who meet certain criteria 4 out of 5 travelers agree: Customs & Immigration is the more exciting part. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-gates-shutting-down/272808/118 "2021-01-13T15:35:03Z")
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