# First look at new abyssal PVP arena! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 30, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320 "2020-06-30T21:04:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Aceyfacey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aceyfacey/32/251142_2.png) [@Aceyfacey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aceyfacey)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/1 "2020-06-30T21:04:21Z")
o7 If you are wondering how the new abyssal PVP arenas are, you can see my first impressions here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDxyY5aKDXo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDxyY5aKDXo) Loot is also pretty decent for stuff run in t1 cruisers, would give good incentives to run these apart from the pure fun of pvp šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Magnus\_Carta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/magnus_carta/32/210653_2.png) [@Magnus\_Carta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Magnus_Carta)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/2 "2020-06-30T21:35:58Z")
Wait, is that instanced duelling? WTF is CCP doing. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/3 "2020-06-30T22:01:15Z")
Turning Eve into all those other games, that didnā€™t last 17 yearsā€¦ Or to be more specific - CCP are cashing out in every way possible, using every method in the industry - CCP doesnā€™t need Eve to last much longer - the Ā£$ windfall is just around the cornerā€¦ Hi PA - still a good few years though, so cheer up šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/4 "2020-06-30T22:37:16Z")
> [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > WTF is CCP doing. Fixing the game and adding much needed additions to keep EVE Online a fresh and enjoyable experience for everyone. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/5 "2020-06-30T23:29:23Z")
> [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > WTF is CCP doing. This has literally been in the game for years. I donā€™t know why this is new to you. ---
**Author:** ![Doug\_Dredd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doug_dredd/32/474158_2.png) [@Doug\_Dredd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Doug_Dredd)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/6 "2020-06-30T23:31:23Z")
Isnā€™t this just an event anyway? Not permanent? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/7 "2020-06-30T23:53:18Z")
hey my br0s DC here! just chillinā€™ here with my can of GAME FUELĀ® & gettin rdy 2 stream sum EVE arenas! gonna be usinā€™ a Thorax 2nite (kitey Rupture didnā€™t work so well last time, lols!) big shout out 2 my new sponsor at Secretlab! their chairs r sooo dope yā€™all! as always if u like my stream pls make sure 2 like & subscribe! peace out fly safe my homies! ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/8 "2020-06-30T23:58:19Z")
ill go broke donating to ms @Destiny_Corrupted twitch ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/9 "2020-07-01T00:37:08Z")
Hey that looked pretty darned cool ---
**Author:** ![Magnus\_Carta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/magnus_carta/32/210653_2.png) [@Magnus\_Carta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Magnus_Carta)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/10 "2020-07-01T01:49:22Z")
I havenā€™t been playing for years, only recently returned and havenā€™t really bothered with the ā€œnew stuffā€. So let me rephrase the question: which of you fake EVE clowns is OK with instanced ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  like this? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/11 "2020-07-01T01:59:56Z")
> [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > which of you fake EVE clowns hey Iā€™m a real EVE clown šŸ¤” ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 2:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/12 "2020-07-01T02:57:28Z")
Translation: Hurrr durrr I canā€™t do neutral RR! HTFU or go back to WoW! ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/13 "2020-07-01T05:18:12Z")
> [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > which of you fake EVE clowns is OK with instanced ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  like this? The overwhelming majority of the game. Welcome back. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/14 "2020-07-01T05:43:51Z")
šŸ”“ > [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > So let me rephrase the question: which of you fake EVE clowns is OK with instanced ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  like this? The majority of incompetent players like those CCP devs and people like Scoots. ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/15 "2020-07-01T06:04:40Z")
Well then, While I donā€™t agree with this why not just take your leet skills and own every carebear that does this? Kill them, show them no matter how much they cry for fair fights they will always suck at pvp. You need to view this as free killmarks. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 6:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/16 "2020-07-01T06:18:15Z")
Carebears wonā€™t use this feature. The only reason they beg for it is as a red herring by pretending that theyā€™re willing, when in reality all they hope for is for something to come along that will distract everyone else so that they can continue to farm in peace. Carebears donā€™t PvP. They only pretend that they _would_, if the circumstances are palatable for them (the circumstances, usually, require the _absence_ of said PvP). Iā€™ve played EVE long enough (and sat in many carebear corporations), and played dozens of other survival-type games, that this isnā€™t just a theory anymore. Carebears are drawn to games with loot, and account persistence/progression. So Iā€™ll make two example from other PvP games that Iā€™ve played. - H1Z1 was one of the first _major_ survival games on the market. SOEā€™s president at the time, John Smedley, [was notoriously dissatisfied](https://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/2sawvs/a_prime_example_of_toxic_attitudes_becoming/) that the board essentially _forced_ him to add PvE servers to the game. There were a _lot_ of debates on forums at the time, with similar arguments that are being made with regard to CCPā€™s latest arena plans. So, what happened when the game went live? All of those PvE servers became loot vault fortresses, with player structures covering vast majorities of the available land, and players ran around with essentially infinite ammo. Well guess what? They got _bored_. So what they started begging for on the forums was the implementation of a consensual PvP toggle on the PvP servers, where it was actually _fun_ to play because resources were scarce. I _swear_ Iā€™m not making this up. - Planetside 2, another SOE game, was about a three-way non-stop war between technologically-unique factions. Guess what happened just _weeks_ after it came out? Carebears started coming in, and complaining that they couldnā€™t farm character progress. _They started asking for bots, and safe areas to kill them in_, so that they could level up without being interrupted by other players. Once again, not making this up. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/17 "2020-07-01T10:27:39Z")
> [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > So let me rephrase the question: which of you fake EVE clowns is OK with instanced ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  like this? As long as weā€™re not forced to do it, and we can still do all the other things weā€™ve always done, I donā€™t give a s\*\*tā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/18 "2020-07-01T10:28:03Z")
Eve Arena? When Catch the Flag? ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/19 "2020-07-01T12:44:09Z")
> [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > So let me rephrase the question: which of you fake EVE clowns is OK with instanced ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  like this? So long as someoneā€™s getting blown up I donā€™t care. I have ore and manufactured ships to sell. ĀÆ\_(惄)_/ĀÆ ---
**Author:** ![JuuR\_Zibaoo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juur_zibaoo/32/375053_2.png) [@JuuR\_Zibaoo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JuuR_Zibaoo)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/20 "2020-07-01T12:47:42Z")
looks cool some will like it ā€¦ some not ā€¦ as always ā€¦ JuuR [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320.md?page=2)