# First look at new abyssal PVP arena! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 30, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320 "2020-06-30T21:04:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/81 "2020-07-03T20:09:46Z")
hey dummies , eve don’t need to be inviting to new players , eve don’t need to be pleasant , eve don’t need to be fun , eve needs to be unique , thats why the f game have close to 20 years old , because there is nothing like it and btw if this and that make people quit eve, if i remain healthy ill never leave , i think we have some guys like me to cover for the quitting babes ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/82 "2020-07-03T21:50:54Z")
> [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > Instagank PVP is a turnoff to noobs. Instagank PvP is a turnoff for _everyone_. You think I like getting my ship exploded? You think every time I go out for combat I say “oh boy! I hope I get my ■■■■ pushed in and die in a fire!”? No, I hate it! I get blown up, I smash my monitor in like everyone else. Having the mindset of viewing losses as something that’s “fun” or “desirable” is deviant. At best, _best_, viewing them as a necessary occasional cost of doing business is acceptable. But the players who go out on a “roam” and then throw their “gf m8s” into local after getting bombed to ■■■■ are mentally-deficient. So that’s why the “vet stays/noob quits” duality doesn’t actually represent reality. The reality is that _most_ players quit, and only about 5% stay. Most players hate losses, which is rational, But most players can’t rationally _deal_ with the losses to continue playing. So 5% of all “noobs” will stay in the game after experiencing adversity. The vets who still play today were once in that 5% of noobs who could mentally deal with loss, despite hating it, in the past. > [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > The arena player might have tasted victory already. He also stands a higher chance having been in some modicum of PVP so there’s no cherry getting busted. Yes he might go back to that arena. So what. Many will be here solely for that arena and if they pad a stat once in a while who exactly is harmed by that? I though the lowsec parking lot zombies would like an occasional morbidly obese victim to gang up on, no? Yet they still complain, and want to hate a playstyle. > > Heck even on that alone, a new playstyle to hate should also be welcomed, no? The wording in your post indicates a head start. Yet you seem angry. Go get another tattoo or something. > > I think an arena player would be more likely to stay than ragequit. They’ll look up what they did wrong and make a decision there, and who knows if they will quit or do more arena - and in the latter case still enjoy the game. Does that bother you? > But you might still get some rage quit or two that you can self-gratify with. There’s always hope. The arena player isn’t going to stay any more than the carebear who gets his hauler ganked while passing through a 0.3 is going to stay. The environment will be different, but the outcome will be the same. Out in the jungle, I will be killing him on the gate, and I will be similarly killing him over and over again in the arena, because I’m a min-maxing, mom’s basement-dwelling, loser virgin, and he’s a father of two with only an hour to play every day. The end result will be that just like in regular EVE, the players who _stay_ in the arena will be part of that 5% that can deal with that sort of environment. Which is to say that this is a useless feature. I don’t think it will “destroy” EVE, or anything like that. I’m against it on principle alone, because I don’t want CCP to set precedent for themselves to go down this path in their decision-making. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/83 "2020-07-03T21:59:05Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > The upside is that, the more loudmouths hide in undeccable corps, > the sooner CCP will give us back appropriate ways of smacking them in their face again. I wish I had your optimism. ---
**Author:** ![Aceyfacey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aceyfacey/32/251142_2.png) [@Aceyfacey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aceyfacey)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/84 "2020-07-03T22:54:15Z")
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**Author:** ![Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xiombarg_ohmsford/32/172425_2.png) [@Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xiombarg_Ohmsford)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/85 "2020-07-03T23:07:35Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Carebears won’t use this feature. The only reason they beg for it is as a red herring by pretending that they’re willing, when in reality all they hope for is for something to come along that will distract everyone else so that they can continue to farm in peace. Those Lvl4 missions will not farm themselves, you hit the nail on the head. More instanced pvp please CCP, less people flying into my mission plex the quicker i can do them. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 4:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/86 "2020-07-04T04:13:09Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Instagank PvP is a turnoff for _everyone_ . You think I like getting my ship exploded? You think every time I go out for combat I say “oh boy! I hope I get my ■■■■ pushed in and die in a fire!”? No, I hate it! I get blown up, I smash my monitor in like everyone else. What game are you playing? Every time I got blown up in PVP it was as delighful as throwing a cat in a kiddie pool full of siblings. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/87 "2020-07-04T08:32:01Z")
I can win a PvP engagement in a Viator. Doubt itll be much good in an arena. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/88 "2020-07-04T10:50:05Z")
I have a Venture PvP setup that does dirty, dirty things. Especially if you invest in some implants. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/89 "2020-07-04T10:53:42Z")
> [@Sugar\_Smacks](#): > > So its the end of the world because a temporary event in EvE If you think this will stay “temporary” you obviously had a lobotomy just after birth. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/90 "2020-07-04T10:54:55Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > The game is 17 years old FFS, is nothing allowed to change ?? Of course it is. Good changes are good , bad changes are bad. This is a horrible one. ---
**Author:** ![Deirdre\_Parud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deirdre_parud/32/215836_2.png) [@Deirdre\_Parud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deirdre_Parud)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/91 "2020-07-04T11:33:04Z")
I can understand why people have a problem with this, instancing is VERY un-EVE like. Being part of the sandbox and being susceptible to other’s interactions is a cornerstone of what EVE actually IS: “when you undock you agree to lose your stuff”. Instancing moves away from that, it started with the first Triglavian content and now they add more of it. It’s not the content itself that is the issue, it’s the way CCP used cool new ships and good loot as a trojan horse in order to introduce instancing. People sold their soul for some shinies and didn’t care for, or understand, the implication of instancing in a sandbox game like EVE. Now that CCP apparently doesn’t seem to care about the basics of EVE any more what’s next? PVP flag where you have to opt-in? System wide cloaking restrictor? It’s a VERY slippery slope and I’d be VERY careful to be ok with what’s happening. ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/92 "2020-07-04T14:12:31Z")
> [@Deirdre\_Parud](#): > > System wide cloaking restrictor? Well since the trigs can “do things” to a sun, perhaps it may someday become possible to make a sun blurt out a pulse of “dirty” solar energy that takes down cloaks. Something that has to be anchored and takes some energy and has a cooldown timer. It would be a good cost-based way to implement an anti-cloaking system without winner-picking via mechanics (as usual). ---
**Author:** ![Agondray](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agondray/32/414989_2.png) [@Agondray](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agondray)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/93 "2020-07-04T17:53:17Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I can win a PvP engagement in a Viator. > > Doubt itll be much good in an arena. the abyssals are supposed to be done by classes, so if industrials are allowed they will have their own lol ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/94 "2020-07-04T18:14:18Z")
> [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > > [@Deirdre\_Parud](#): > > > > System wide cloaking restrictor? > > Well since the trigs can “do things” to a sun, perhaps it may someday become possible to make a sun blurt out a pulse of “dirty” solar energy that takes down cloaks. Something that has to be anchored and takes some energy and has a cooldown timer. > It would be a good cost-based way to implement an anti-cloaking system without winner-picking via mechanics (as usual). Still suffering that old obsession, I see… ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/95 "2020-07-04T21:35:07Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > Still suffering that old obsession, I see… I was the one cloaking ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2020, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/96 "2020-07-05T09:37:52Z")
> [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > I was the one cloaking Sorry, momentarilty confused you with a cloaking-obsessed poster who’s name also starts with ‘H’… 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/97 "2020-07-07T00:07:23Z")
Were it up to me, cloaky camping would be removed via the removal of local. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 3:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/98 "2020-07-07T03:02:31Z")
And local would be removed via the removal of the game itself. Man, I wish I were a carebear, I’d have such nice forum burns for y’all, instead of the usual barely-intelligible, frothy-mouthed whining. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 3:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/first-look-at-new-abyssal-pvp-arena/252320/99 "2020-10-05T03:03:07Z")
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