# Fix this CCP. You keep losing players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 13, 2021, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872 "2021-01-13T05:55:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/213 "2021-01-14T22:02:11Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > you claim that being able to undock them only when the systems are safe does not belong to the game I don’t remember doing that, but I’m sure you’ll educate me about the error of my ways. Refusing to play the game is not counter-play to a game mechanic. I am not going to explain why; I’ll leave you to figure it out on your own, while I sit back and enjoy the discussion. There will be no further response on the matter from my end. 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/214 "2021-01-14T22:02:21Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > If something doesn’t have counter-play, it doesn’t belong in the game. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > you have no chance to lose it because you don’t undock unless the systems are clear. Checking if local is clear has no counterplay, local chat intel is a bit too powerful in this game. Yet still I nearly lost a Hulk one time when I warped to the ice belt while local was clear in null. Right after I pressed warp, an enemy Enyo came into system, noticed my Hulk on dscan and landed in the ice belt before me. Luckily my Porpoise could keep the Hulk (barely) alive and scare the Enyo off, but that was a close fight. It was the first time I was trying the Hulk. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/215 "2021-01-14T22:02:39Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I don’t remember doing that, but I’m sure you’ll educate me about the error of my ways. literally quoted previously. ---
**Author:** ![Evei\_Shard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evei_shard/32/245990_2.png) [@Evei\_Shard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Evei_Shard)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/216 "2021-01-14T22:03:01Z")
No. Gankers don’t care about isk. They’ll gank an empty freighter. It’s. Not. About. Isk. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/217 "2021-01-14T22:03:24Z")
Sometimes it’s about ISK. Sometimes it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/218 "2021-01-14T22:04:21Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Right after I pressed warp, an enemy Enyo came into system, noticed my Hulk on dscan and landed in the ice belt before me. Aren’t ice fields huge? Wouldn’t it be wise to have various bookmark spots in it so you never come in at 0? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/219 "2021-01-14T22:07:12Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Aren’t ice fields huge? Wouldn’t it be wise to have various bookmark spots in it so you never come in at 0? Indeed. And it would also be better to warp to a safe close to the ice belt rather than warping all across a huge system right to 0 on the ice belt. It was the first time I was undocking the Hulk, saw an empty system, a new ice belt and was lazy. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/220 "2021-01-15T10:41:50Z")
Are you kidding? If I had all that in a Trig system I would be thrilled! That would be awesome, holy crap! If I were you I would simply move in and start getting established with the Trigs. ---
**Author:** ![Miranda\_Farron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miranda_farron/32/250852_2.png) [@Miranda\_Farron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miranda_Farron)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/221 "2021-01-15T10:49:38Z")
> [@Evei\_Shard](#): > > No. Gankers don’t care about isk. They’ll gank an empty freighter. > > It’s. Not. About. Isk. This is nonsense. Utterly untrue. They may occassionally gank an empty ship either out of sheer boredom or due to miscommunication, but 90% of the time it’s a simple ISK equation, cost of gank vs value of cargo. 90% of the time _ **all they care about** _ is ISK. They have to lose their ships to gank, they’re not completely stupid. Not all of them anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/222 "2021-01-15T10:54:36Z")
I’m pretty bad at it, yet the only time I’ve been killed doing it in highsec was by a Trig gate camp, they one shot me almost instantly. I was pissed but went back and got my stuff back along with a bunch of other stuff that was floating in space because of the same Trigs. I would up making a huge profit just for getting blown up and being a cranky bitch. The great thing about Triglavians is their gate camps are brutal so most people don’t want to hang around. This leaves a lot of loot sitting in space waiting to be scooped up and, a lot of very angry new people logging off in and binge drinking. I feel bad for them, but still, it was kind of neat to lose a hundred million and get home with about five hundred. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/223 "2021-01-15T10:56:51Z")
I think I replied to your response instead of the poster you were responding to, sorry about that. I’m on my tablet and the text I’m looking at is microscopic. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/224 "2021-01-15T11:00:34Z")
If I were you I would be thrilled, it’s hard to get in there and you now have a serious base of operations to work from preinstalled. I would move in and start working on Trig standing instantly, ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/225 "2021-01-15T18:29:59Z")
I know for a fact that Kusion, along with every other multiboxing ganker, PLEXes all of his accounts with in game earnings garnered from his ganks and maybe sells extracted skills though tbh I feel like he probably makes so much ganking that he doesn’t even bother with this anymore. Ganking is difficult. Doing what Kusion does? RIDICULOUSLY difficult. Sure, there are some forms of Suiciding that are simpler than others but they are typically less rewarding. The stuff that really pays the subs takes practice, preparation, and a whole lot of game knowledge to successfully pull off. If you’re quitting the game because you lost a ship well… you’re playing the wrong game. I hear WoW has PvE servers. Of course if you’re in it for the market and industry you’ll soon realize that Gankers and other PvPers like them are REQUIRED for your profession to exist and be profitable. ---
**Author:** ![Massilian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/massilian/32/251077_2.png) [@Massilian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Massilian)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/226 "2021-01-15T18:37:25Z")
> [@hellokittyonline](#): > > Of course if you’re in it for the market and industry you’ll soon realize that Gankers and other PvPers like them are REQUIRED for your profession to exist and be profitable. Could you please explain how? I don’t have a lot of knowledge in that area. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/227 "2021-01-15T18:42:37Z")
Explosions drive demand for replacement goods, industry players and traders supply those replacement goods. If stuff isn’t exploding there is no need to replace it, thus making trade and industry players superfluous. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/228 "2021-01-15T18:43:59Z")
> [@hellokittyonline](#): > > If you’re quitting the game because you lost a ship well… you’re playing the wrong game. I hear WoW has PvE servers. This is actually **really** bad advice. I’ve seen people playing WoW getting a rare resource mined out from under their noses in the open world, and they **absolutely lost their ■■■■**. Like instant-racist-tirade-rage-quit-post-on-the-forums level of losing their ■■■■. Carebearism is a personality trait, and not a symptom of a game’s environment and mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/229 "2021-01-15T18:44:51Z")
Yea, maybe you’re right. Maybe they could play Hello Kitty Online? : 3 ---
**Author:** ![Massilian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/massilian/32/251077_2.png) [@Massilian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Massilian)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/230 "2021-01-15T18:45:39Z")
But stuff also explode in mission runs and ratting. Is that correct ? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/231 "2021-01-15T18:45:58Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I’ve seen people playing WoW getting a rare resource mined out from under their noses in the open world, and they **absolutely lost their ■■■■**. Like instant-racist-tirade-rage-quit-post-on-the-forums level of losing their ■■■■. I’ve had the same reaction from people when I mine the rocks that they’re mining out from under them. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/232 "2021-01-15T18:46:40Z")
Occasionally yes, but if it happens often you might suck at PvE. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872.md?page=11)