# Fix this CCP. You keep losing players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 13, 2021, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872 "2021-01-13T05:55:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/293 "2021-01-15T21:53:18Z")
> **["EverQuest" spins its own economy](https://www.cnet.com/news/everquest-spins-its-own-economy/)** > > The business model for online gaming is still evolving, but at least one popular online game has already created a powerful free-market economy, according to a study. > **[A Video Game Economy the Size of a Small Country](https://www.google.com/amp/s/reason.com/2014/05/07/a-video-game-economy-the-size/%3Famp)** > > And with a larger population than Iceland. The population of Iceland is about 320,000 ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/294 "2021-01-15T21:59:38Z")
> [@Massilian](#): > > I haven’t even checked lowest security yet and you want to send into a wormhole? What do I look like, a punching ball ? The good thing about jspace is you always think your alone, even when you aren’t. Paranoia reins supreme…for a good reason. ---
**Author:** ![Massilian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/massilian/32/251077_2.png) [@Massilian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Massilian)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/295 "2021-01-15T22:02:34Z")
Paranoia is healthy in small doses. I’m attacking an Astrahus right now waiting for someone to come spank me. But I just stopped waiting for timer to end… maybe I can steal it. Core isn’t present. Maybe it’s an abandoned station? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/296 "2021-01-15T22:05:04Z")
> [@Massilian](#): > > Maybe it’s an abandoned station? Much more fun to attack a POS. There are still a few in Querious. Go try shooting the POS in U-HYZN, just for some fun. ---
**Author:** ![Massilian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/massilian/32/251077_2.png) [@Massilian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Massilian)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/297 "2021-01-15T22:05:59Z")
Are you sending me into a trap? Sounds like a trap to me but wth, I’ll spring it. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/298 "2021-01-15T22:06:42Z")
> [@Massilian](#): > > Are you sending me into a trap? Sounds like a trap to me You’re definitely made for this game. ---
**Author:** ![Massilian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/massilian/32/251077_2.png) [@Massilian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Massilian)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/299 "2021-01-15T22:07:36Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > You’re definitely made for this game I’m coming. Too bad I don’t have a decent ship but it’s fun anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Massilian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/massilian/32/251077_2.png) [@Massilian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Massilian)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/300 "2021-01-15T22:14:30Z")
Not doing much damage to it. There’s someone in a Venture but it wouldn’t be sport to attack him. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/301 "2021-01-15T22:31:27Z")
Without even reading that, I can say that the way that they define “economy” is highly inconsistent. They’re probably thinking about it in terms of how much stuff already exists in the game. Let’s look at a best-case scenario: assuming that every character logged in is making the maximum _reasonable_ amount of ISK per hour, which is around 200 million (and I’m being very generous here). That’s about 15% of a month of PLEX, or about 15% of $17.50, which is about $2.60. We have about 25,000 average players online at any given time? So under these assumptions, EVE’s GDP becomes $1.5 million per day, or about $570 million per year. That would be _quite a small_ country. More like a tiny municipality, really. Iceland, which can reasonably be considered a “small country,” has a GDP that’s roughly 50 times greater than this figure. But wait, that was the _best case_ scenario. Does every single character pump 200 million ISK of money and resources in the game per hour, every hour of the day? _Not even close_. Realistically, the actual GDP is probably a percentage in the low single digits of the value given above. At 10%, we’re down to $57 million, which isn’t even a small municipality, but more like a medium-sized local business. And the _real_ figure is probably even lower than that. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/302 "2021-01-15T22:35:33Z")
It’s not my area of expertise so I can’t say either way, there’s folks here way more qualified to comment on the feasibility of the claims made in the articles. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/303 "2021-01-15T22:49:21Z")
The first article quotes an annual GDP figure of $5 million for EverQuest, which while a believable figure, is equivalent to the net profit made by a single department store location. And the per-capita GDP of $2,266 is laughably small, and equivalent to that of the poorest third-world countries. The second article doesn’t talk about any economy-related matters _at all_. Before, you said: > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > It’s almost the population of Iceland, and at one point I think the economy of Eve was the size of Iceland’s. > > There again in US$ Everquest once had a currency stronger than the Yen and an economy that was close to that of Russia and Bulgaria. Even when the Soviet Union was collapsing, Russia’s GDP was still hundreds of billions of dollars. Not digging at you, just saying that you were being waaaay off. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 2:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/304 "2021-01-16T02:29:16Z")
Like I said, I’m not knowledgeable enough to comment on the reality of the content. If the subject was vehicle telematics, control area network protocols, safety systems, audio or security installs I could give you more information than you’d ever want to know, because that’s my area of expertise; also early 90’s military avionics. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 2:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/305 "2021-01-16T02:47:58Z")
Can you supply me with some communication jammers, and a drone that is able to deliver a 5-pound payload? Asking, uh, for a friend. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/306 "2021-01-16T02:52:56Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > a drone that is able to deliver a 5-pound payload That’s a sizable amount of weed. As for jammers, nope the stuff I worked on wasn’t ECM/ECCM; although you’d be amazed at what you can do with an unshielded magnetron from a domestic microwave and a few components (not recommended because if you get it wrong you might cook yourself) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/307 "2021-01-16T02:55:18Z")
Weed? Uh, actually yeah, sure, let’s go with weed. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/2/f2b43816200e9a8c72e577bd1b845b98fb8c96ee.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 4:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/308 "2021-01-16T04:08:41Z")
If you want to haul in Uedama, you can buy a hauling permit from me. Happy to help you. Contact me in-game for fee schedule. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/309 "2021-01-16T09:53:29Z")
You could take Aiko and her Safety Dance Crews option Or you could open up the anti-ganking channel ask for a report on Uedama gank fleets , have your sound on so you can hear if you have been scanned, take a look at zkill ,eve maps, maybe even setup some safe spots so you don’t warp straight to the gate in Uedama, they often wait inline with the warp in’s, oh and don’t autopilot. I think doing just one of the above would help your chances of successful passage though Uedama without having to pay 1 isk. Unless you would like to help us with your time and Join us doing an odd hour anti-ganking here and there . Every gun fired at a gank fleet can help save a ship. But a warning Uedama local can get a bit salty. Ps. Ganking is part of the game , like in many games someone said , don’t change it learn to fight it . ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/310 "2021-01-16T09:56:19Z")
> [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](#): > > You’d be surprised that j-space is most of the time … empty … …or _ **looks** _ empty, right up to the moment something nasty decloaks next to you… ---
**Author:** ![Massilian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/massilian/32/251077_2.png) [@Massilian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Massilian)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/311 "2021-01-16T09:58:39Z")
Cloaked players don’t show up in local ? ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/312 "2021-01-16T10:00:06Z")
No, local is dead unless someone is foolish enough to post in it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872.md?page=15)