# Fix this CCP. You keep losing players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 13, 2021, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872 "2021-01-13T05:55:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Massilian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/massilian/32/251077_2.png) [@Massilian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Massilian)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/313 "2021-01-16T10:01:19Z")
But what about the right column of Local. Many players are shown in the system, they don’t have to post to appear there. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/314 "2021-01-16T10:02:06Z")
You only appear in that column if you post text to local - unlike all others sectors of Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/315 "2021-01-16T10:03:10Z")
They should do that in high sec for a week see what happens ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/316 "2021-01-16T10:03:41Z")
They tried it in Null, caused no end of salt… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/317 "2021-01-16T10:04:44Z")
High-sec wouldn’t be much of an issue because wars have been neutered, and ganks mostly happen to unaware targets anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/318 "2021-01-16T10:05:32Z")
Well after all this really is a game of salt production 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Massilian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/massilian/32/251077_2.png) [@Massilian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Massilian)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/319 "2021-01-16T10:09:17Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > You only appear in that column if you post text to local - unlike all others sectors of Eve I see. So there’s no way to see how many players are in Null in any given system. So how can people say “I’m a veteran and… Null is mostly empty” if the players don’t appear in local ?? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/320 "2021-01-16T10:09:59Z")
null is not delayed. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/321 "2021-01-16T10:10:41Z")
> [@Massilian](#): > > _good stuff_ From what you’ve posted so far I really think you’d enjoy a bit of wormholing - get a few scanning and hacking skills, get a cheap explorer ship, and give it a try. A Good signature-site in a class 3 will often give you enough loot for several replacement ships. Go for Relic sites, Data sites are rarely worth the bother . ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/322 "2021-01-16T10:13:21Z")
> [@Massilian](#): > > I see. So there’s no way to see how many players are in Null in any given system. We’re talking about wormholes (systems starting ‘Jnnnnnn’), not Null. Links to them appear and disappear at random, and have to be scanned-down. ---
**Author:** ![Massilian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/massilian/32/251077_2.png) [@Massilian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Massilian)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/323 "2021-01-16T10:13:26Z")
You’re saying I can see who’s undocked in null systems by scanning. Is that the only way? Still tho, if they’re docked then they’re invisible. ---
**Author:** ![Massilian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/massilian/32/251077_2.png) [@Massilian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Massilian)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/324 "2021-01-16T10:14:17Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > We’re talking about wormholes No I’m talking Null, have been posting about Null in here since yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/325 "2021-01-16T10:14:31Z")
Sorry, got to go, ask your questions here, and someone will answer them (me if I’m back soon). ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/326 "2021-01-16T10:14:54Z")
> [@Massilian](#): > > You’re saying I can see who’s undocked in null systems by scanning. no you can deduce the amount of undocked by warping to structure which have the number of docked people after their name, and dock in stations to know who is there. ---
**Author:** ![Massilian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/massilian/32/251077_2.png) [@Massilian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Massilian)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/327 "2021-01-16T10:15:24Z")
I think it’s best I ask my questions once I find a corporation that I want to stay in. ---
**Author:** ![Massilian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/massilian/32/251077_2.png) [@Massilian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Massilian)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/328 "2021-01-16T10:16:42Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > and dock in stations to know who is there. Many POS stations refuse docking and NPC stations are virtually non-existent in the Null systems I’ve visited. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/329 "2021-01-16T10:30:08Z")
POS stations ? WTF is that heresy ? POS are Player Owned Starbases, therefore the category “Starbases”. Stations are owned by NPC (no exception), they have their own category Structures is a category that contains the groups : Engineering complex, Citadel, Refinery. POS are mostly unused now. Well they may be used again since CCP screwed up wit structures/. All stations are dockable. so you can see the people there. Structure all show the number of people inside without a need to dock in. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/330 "2021-01-16T10:30:12Z")
Thought this post was about a freighters being ganked, am I in the wrong place. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/331 "2021-01-16T10:32:20Z")
> [@Massilian](#): > > Many POS stations refuse docking and NPC stations are virtually non-existent in the Null systems I’ve visited. In sov null there are no outposts (equivalent of stations) left. They were all converted to Upwell structures, and they show how many people are docked in them if you mouse over the structure when on grid with it. NPC nullsec has stations. Nullsec is not delayed, so everyone in system appears in local chat. Wormhole space has a delayed local. No one appears in local chat unless they post there first. ---
**Author:** ![DragoFire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragofire/32/257926_2.png) [@DragoFire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DragoFire)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/332 "2021-01-16T10:37:08Z")
It been applied to T-Space and no one has complained about it. The worm holers have blacked out local for years, no complaints from them, only from visitors from k-space or nullsec. Poor players and carebears need local to see who’s in system. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872.md?page=16)