# Fix this CCP. You keep losing players

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [January 13, 2021, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872 "2021-01-13T05:55:03Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Massilian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/massilian/32/251077_2.png) [@Massilian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Massilian)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/354 "2021-01-17T21:45:49Z")

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> [@Zyress](#):
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> Could be worse, I cam back after several months away and me and everything I own are in a sealed up Triglavian system all alone. They offered to move me and one ship with everything it can carry but I got like 10 battleships 7 or 8 battlecruisers about a dozen cruisers a stealth bomber an interceptor and a few rifters and merlins there as well as 7 or 8 billion in inventory. I just unsubed

That’s a LOT of crap! wth are you doing with 10 battleships, 8 battlecruisers and 12 cruiser ? Were you head of a corporation ?

That’s what CCP is trying to eliminate, players who hoard so much stuff they’ll never have the time to use it all. Stuff just sitting in station.

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**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/355 "2021-01-17T22:04:56Z")

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> [@Massilian](#):
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> That’s what CCP is trying to eliminate, players who hoard so much stuff they’ll never have the time to use it all.

That’s a LOT of crap!

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**Author:** ![Massilian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/massilian/32/251077_2.png) [@Massilian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Massilian)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/356 "2021-01-17T22:09:16Z")

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> [@Anderson\_Geten](#):
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> That’s a LOT of crap!

🤓

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**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\
**Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/357 "2021-01-18T02:32:30Z")

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I couldn’t tell you how many battleships or cruisers i have scattered around space, because i make money running missions for other people, its easier to have those ships scattered about.

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**Author:** ![Slimy\_Worm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/slimy_worm/32/378301_2.png) [@Slimy\_Worm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Slimy_Worm)\
**Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/358 "2021-01-19T18:17:32Z")

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How high have you trained Evasive Maneuvering?

Did you scout Uedama to see if gankers were laying in wait beforehand?

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**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\
**Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/359 "2021-01-20T11:19:06Z")

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> [@Massilian](#):
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> That’s a LOT of crap! wth are you doing with 10 battleships, 8 battlecruisers and 12 cruiser ? Were you head of a corporation ?

Eh, that’s not a surprisingly high number.

An example: I like flying logi in null sec, so I do have multiple T2 logi cruisers to fly in shield capchain fleets (Basi \<3) or without capchain (Scimitar), or in the occasional armour capchain (Guardian). We don’t fly armour often so I didn’t get an Oneiros yet. As I’ve had fights at different places, I had multiple Scimitars and a spare Basilisk in different stations that I can quickly travel to using an interceptor or jump clones. And then there is the cheap T1 Ospreys and Scythes that I grab for small fights around the house, and a few extra fits that are experiments for the standing fleet. And I think I still have a couple armour t1 too.

I easily hit that number of ‘_12 cruisers_’ for personal non-hoarding use and that’s with _logistics_ ships alone. Add ships for other purposes and you’ll see that it isn’t strange to have filled hangars without hoarding for hoarding purposes.

Now if I had 50 of the same ship, then things would require adifferent explanation. Probably a simple explanation though, like “I want to hand these out to newbies in my next fleet” or “I bought a set of spares because I regularly lose this ship” or “I do industry, I made them”.

Just because someone has a lot of ships, doesn’t mean there is a hoarding problem.

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**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\
**Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/360 "2021-01-20T13:34:23Z")

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> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#):
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> Just because someone has a lot of ships, doesn’t mean there is a hoarding problem.

There is a hoarder problem when someone has a lot of ammos.

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**Author:** ![Ave\_Kathrina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ave_kathrina/32/426886_2.png) [@Ave\_Kathrina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ave_Kathrina)\
**Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 4:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/361 "2021-01-25T04:45:56Z")

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Can I have your stuff (that wasn’t lost in the kill) ?

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**Author:** ![Ivicek\_Grikov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ivicek_grikov/32/251454_2.png) [@Ivicek\_Grikov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ivicek_Grikov)\
**Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/362 "2021-01-29T23:56:44Z")

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> [@Levi\_Devereaux](#):
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> This community so starved for content they grief a returning player.

How were they supposed to know you were a returning player?

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**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/363 "2021-01-30T14:50:08Z")

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Like some other guy, who said people were griefing his RL dad who’s a senior and should be ashamed of it.  
Ignoring that it doesn’t matter … how were they supposed to know?

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**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/364 "2021-01-30T16:54:34Z")

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Good question but even more relevant: why does it matter?

How can a grown adult even old man get upset over space pixels in a vid’ya game in the first place?

🤔

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**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/365 "2021-01-30T16:58:34Z")

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1. They believe it’s like every other wannabe MMO.
2. They’re delusional escapists who treat it as a second life.
3. A mix of both.

Someone actually presented a solution to this problem …  
… at least from a forums’ perspective.

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**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/366 "2021-01-30T18:44:09Z")

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We need a section for “personal” bios in our character profiles, as well as special tags to appear in the overview, so that other players know about any real-life statuses/issues/handicaps we have before they choose to attack us. For example, other players should be aware that I’m an ethnic disabled queer feminist retired veteran who is battling cancer and has a learning disorder. That way, they won’t shoot me, and will focus on killing healthy, young, white cis males, like they _should_.

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**Author:** ![DragoFire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragofire/32/257926_2.png) [@DragoFire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DragoFire)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/367 "2021-01-30T18:51:38Z")

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That would make it worse, as then they can target specific TAG’D players as they know they have limitations.

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**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/370 "2021-01-30T18:56:27Z")

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Repeated offenses could qualify as discrimination/persecution and punished via ban and contacting the player’s local authorities for civil action.

But I’m _not_ unreasonable: these players should also have a toggle setting that allows them to show that they’re _fine_ with being attacked, et cetera. Then they’re treated as regular players.

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**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/371 "2021-01-30T19:27:01Z")

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Even though I know that you’re joking that’s not even a slippery slope, it’s a vertical 'king cliff to hell.

![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/4/944c75575a0935f98e27a9888408b96f38310bcb.jpeg)

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**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/372 "2021-01-30T19:42:47Z")

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> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#):
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> Or, probably far more appropriate: the hindu symbol for peace!

LOL ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/0/d0028c1dc3322e11bc900af8e67aec246155228a.png)

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**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/373 "2021-01-30T19:45:38Z")

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> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#):
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> But I’m _not_ unreasonable: these players should also have a toggle setting that allows them to show that they’re _fine_ with being attacked, et cetera. Then they’re treated as regular players.

There’s already such a setting - it’s called “being undocked”.

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**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/374 "2021-01-30T20:30:22Z")

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> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#):
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> Poe’s Law

can make it hard for people to know what’s satire.  
And just as hard to know when a respondent knows what they are replying to is satire.

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**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fix-this-ccp-you-keep-losing-players/289872/375 "2021-01-30T22:03:07Z")

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I wish it’d not be a bad idea expressing my concerns regarding using Poe’s Law …  
… because it’s actually amazing.

Should _absolutely_ be a bannable offense.

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