# \[FIXED\] Update to "Pulling CONCORD is now a permaban offense" **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [December 1, 2021, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646 "2021-12-01T14:23:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shekelstein\_Shakiel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shekelstein_shakiel/32/295667_2.png) [@Shekelstein\_Shakiel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shekelstein_Shakiel)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/21 "2021-12-01T14:50:58Z")
epic GM troll ? xd ---
**Author:** ![Hazen\_Koraka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazen_koraka/32/395218_2.png) [@Hazen\_Koraka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hazen_Koraka)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/22 "2021-12-01T14:52:12Z")
All I can say is, Calm down gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/23 "2021-12-01T14:52:22Z")
> [@Pulling CONCORD is now a permaban offense](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/334480/54): > > Hello everyone, Lead GM Arcade here. Thanks for your patience while this matter was discussed extensively within various departments including Customer Support. It’s clear there is some confusion regarding what is an exploit and what is allowed. This may have been caused by a reference to posts by CCP’ers which may be outdated. EVE Online and its underlying mechanics continuously change, but the Known & Declared Exploits help center article is the definitive reference for exploits that all pla… > [@Pulling CONCORD is now a permaban offense](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/334480/54): > > This includes deliberately “pulling” or “spawning” CONCORD to a location for defensive or upcoming aggressive actions. > for _ **defensive** _ or upcoming aggressive actions 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Hazen\_Koraka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazen_koraka/32/395218_2.png) [@Hazen\_Koraka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hazen_Koraka)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/24 "2021-12-01T14:52:42Z")
That’s 2 of the threads yes, there are even 2 more in this subforum. ---
**Author:** ![Hazen\_Koraka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazen_koraka/32/395218_2.png) [@Hazen\_Koraka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hazen_Koraka)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/25 "2021-12-01T14:54:54Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/0/5/f0534ae0bd77dfab9f689eab26ebb3ac845d823b.png) 1st time post. Enough said. 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![MacGybo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/macgybo/32/409494_2.png) [@MacGybo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MacGybo)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/26 "2021-12-01T14:55:13Z")
It’s the anti-gankers and loot thieves I feel sorry for. ---
**Author:** ![Hazen\_Koraka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazen_koraka/32/395218_2.png) [@Hazen\_Koraka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hazen_Koraka)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/27 "2021-12-01T14:55:35Z")
inb4 the lock on another pointless thread. ---
**Author:** ![MajorBean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/majorbean/32/382916_2.png) [@MajorBean](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MajorBean)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/28 "2021-12-01T14:56:22Z")
I flagged the GM post. Just let people pull concord, who cares. ---
**Author:** ![Hazen\_Koraka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazen_koraka/32/395218_2.png) [@Hazen\_Koraka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hazen_Koraka)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/29 "2021-12-01T15:00:50Z")
> [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > i see no salt just confusion, pulling concord as far as im aware is not an exploit and never has been, ccp even confirmed this a few days ago. all i see is another gm that likely doesn’t play eve or understand the fine detail of the mechanics at play. Agreed, Aaaarrgg, there’s nothing that’s changed as far as I can see. The original exploit details are years and years old, and nothing has changed recently. If there was, you’d expect some official post to say so rather than springing stuff on players. ---
**Author:** ![Cutecumber\_Roll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cutecumber_roll/32/409102_2.png) [@Cutecumber\_Roll](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cutecumber_Roll)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/30 "2021-12-01T15:05:08Z")
Whatever the outcome of the ridiculous back and forth that CCP reps have been having on this issue in public spaces, can we please get an update to the exploit notification if it is determined that CCP Arcade is off his rocker, or a new exploit notification if this is indeed the new guidance. It would be nice to actually put this to rest. ---
**Author:** ![Matahashi\_Satoa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/matahashi_satoa/32/298937_2.png) [@Matahashi\_Satoa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Matahashi_Satoa)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/31 "2021-12-01T15:09:07Z")
Killing more gameplay avenues I see. ---
**Author:** ![Shekelstein\_Shakiel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shekelstein_shakiel/32/295667_2.png) [@Shekelstein\_Shakiel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shekelstein_Shakiel)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/32 "2021-12-01T15:09:18Z")
ye thats what i wanna hear, i want a concrete final answer instead of flip flopping ---
**Author:** ![Hazen\_Koraka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazen_koraka/32/395218_2.png) [@Hazen\_Koraka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hazen_Koraka)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/33 "2021-12-01T15:11:57Z")
As stated in @CCP_Arcade 's post: All the information is here. [https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits) ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/34 "2021-12-01T15:12:58Z")
It’s not updated with what Arcade said, and Paragon and swift said something different… thats what all this is about, who makes the final decision a GM or a CCP? ---
**Author:** ![W00T](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/w00t/32/376304_2.png) [@W00T](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/W00T)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/35 "2021-12-01T15:13:02Z")
So if any random player pulls concord to a highsec belt to make their response time faster, you have to leave this belt if you are also mining there or maybe risk getting into trouble for “defensive” concord pull. That is hell of a way to keep people out of your mining belts in highsec xD ---
**Author:** ![Vatukka\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vatukka_tsukaya/32/298930_2.png) [@Vatukka\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vatukka_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/36 "2021-12-01T15:13:03Z")
All the information is there, but the interpretation of the vaguely worded rule is the issue at hand. ```auto Committing a criminal act and delaying CONCORD response for an extended period. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Hazen\_Koraka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazen_koraka/32/395218_2.png) [@Hazen\_Koraka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hazen_Koraka)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/37 "2021-12-01T15:14:10Z")
It’s most likely decided to be an exploit if you mess with the standard CONCORD timings, of which I’m sure all you gankers are highly aware of and is mechanically tied to a systems’s security status rating. ---
**Author:** ![Shekelstein\_Shakiel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shekelstein_shakiel/32/295667_2.png) [@Shekelstein\_Shakiel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shekelstein_Shakiel)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/38 "2021-12-01T15:14:22Z")
ignore hazen he is just baiting ---
**Author:** ![Vatukka\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vatukka_tsukaya/32/298930_2.png) [@Vatukka\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vatukka_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/39 "2021-12-01T15:15:07Z")
CONCORD response time has always had three possible states 1. very fast if CONCORD is on grid 2. standard if CONCORD has not been spawned in system 3. slower if CONCORD has been spawned in system, but is off-grid ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/40 "2021-12-01T15:15:52Z")
This is ■■■■■■■■… @CCP_Swift @CCP_Rattati @any CSM… War Dec mechanics need to be reverted so anyone can be WAR DECC’d if this ■■■■■■■■ is to stick!!! Meaning the War dec eligibility needs to go in the trash, you can keep the ability to declare war requiring a structure though. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646.md?page=3)