# \[FIXED\] Update to "Pulling CONCORD is now a permaban offense" **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [December 1, 2021, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646 "2021-12-01T14:23:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![una\_noche\_mas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/una_noche_mas/32/296902_2.png) [@una\_noche\_mas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/una_noche_mas)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/122 "2021-12-13T20:23:22Z")
Ok @Cilla_Cybin let us accept this statement hypothetically true. And be agree upon. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I think it depends 100% on _when_ you get ganked. CCP is correct that ganking makes noobs stay, but I would say that only really starts to come into effect after maybe a week or two and it is the complete reverse in those first 2 weeks. By doubling EHP of mining ships makes high skill lvl players tank their mining ships with full potential. and for example, only Mackinaw pilots who die in high sec will be the ones who leave 2 of mid slots empty… ( i have seen a couple of kill mails like that ) Undock like that and go to mine … [Mackinaw | Ship | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/ship/22548/) NO properly fitted Mackinaw dying in High Sec to ganking. HIgh skill lvl pilots are now granted PVP free safe mining… How about new pilots??? This is officially pinning new pilots onto the target board while covering veterans tanks to the ridiculous lvls… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/123 "2021-12-13T20:58:01Z")
> [@una\_noche\_mas](#): > > This is officially pinning new pilots onto the target board while covering veterans tanks to the ridiculous lvls… This is a good point. After the new mining buffs, the bulk of miner ganking will be shifted unto new players. There was no buff to newplayer Ventures, this is all about protecting decade old players who want to maximize their isk/hr with AFK mining. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 8:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/124 "2021-12-14T08:01:22Z")
Starting to hate isk/hr thing myself , people doing it in mining , pve and other areas of eve might be efficient but it can’t be fun , Ffs have fun and kill a Tengu why you do inefficient pve , it’s a blast. ---
**Author:** ![Hink\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hink_yaken/32/247042_2.png) [@Hink\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hink_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/125 "2021-12-14T12:17:26Z")
Skilling a barge only takes a week. Then you can be tanky. Ventures are 2m Killmails. They dont get ganked that often and are replaced after 20 min of mining. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/126 "2021-12-14T12:27:22Z")
But the ganker can come in and blow it up every fifteen minutes so the Venture miner will always be on a downwards slope. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/127 "2021-12-14T12:56:09Z")
A bit desperate, Dracvlad. You must be at a loose end! ---
**Author:** ![Oskar\_Milde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oskar_milde/32/396309_2.png) [@Oskar\_Milde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oskar_Milde)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/128 "2021-12-14T13:11:01Z")
I don’t think this is the biggest issue in the world. In the first 6 or 7 pages of venture kills on zkill this morning, there were a total of 4 high sec ventures killed by players. 3 of them by the same player. This is in comparison to over a hundred killed in wormholes, lowsec, nullsec, or by NPCs. I know some people love a good pearl-clutch, but this one is a little laughable. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/129 "2021-12-14T13:12:19Z")
I thought it was funny, oh well, guess my humour is wasted… > [@Oskar\_Milde](#): > > I know some people love a good pearl-clutch, but this one is a little laughable. It was supposed to be laughable, by the way it also depends on what you mean by a gank. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/131 "2021-12-14T14:35:13Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I thought it was funny, oh well, guess my humour is wasted… …only when the person who reads it mistakes it for sincerity! ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/132 "2021-12-14T14:36:20Z")
There is a fix to this. After 15 minutes, if no activity is detected, the mining barge will explode with a 100% drop rate. a secondary explosion poding the miner to teach him/her a lesson for committing the ultimate sin of AFK mining. A shiny new venture waiting for the miner in the station. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/133 "2021-12-14T14:41:49Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/6/b/66b100229f611b17211c2d04b5d529c0d1a2d2b0.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/134 "2021-12-14T14:46:16Z")
Noobs will get a free education ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/c/3/bc3a3e03927814fbf24fec8e011162fa33595416.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Oskar\_Milde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oskar_milde/32/396309_2.png) [@Oskar\_Milde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oskar_Milde)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/135 "2021-12-15T08:07:18Z")
Well, I guess I got the right end result?! Sorry my friend, so used to people dropping the “won’t somebody think of the newbros?!!?” line when trying to protect their personal revenue stream (developed over multiple years, minmaxed with 20+ accounts and operated as close to off the books as their alliance will let them get away with) I just immediately default to cynicism, snark and condescension. While these traits have served me well in Eve in general, this time they have led me astray. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/136 "2021-12-15T08:43:18Z")
The issue was never the newbros. I always thought that the issue was the players who had just cracked the Exhumer, poured all his ISK into that and then got it ganked. Also I count the gankers with 20+ accounts as being the same type of min/max player. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/137 "2021-12-16T18:09:58Z")
Some of these ganks are hits, keeps the other miners with their roid murdering barges way from your precious rocks. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/c/d/ccd8e5052029a7fa304ddf7fc2e56eeac5eb688f.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Hrothgar\_Nilsson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hrothgar_nilsson/32/354595_2.png) [@Hrothgar\_Nilsson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hrothgar_Nilsson)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/138 "2022-01-12T18:19:03Z")
> [@Hazen\_Koraka](#): > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/0/5/f0534ae0bd77dfab9f689eab26ebb3ac845d823b.png) > > 1st time post. Enough said. 🙃 I’d actually posted quite a bit on the old forums. Was my 1st post on these new ones. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 9:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/139 "2022-01-13T09:09:52Z")
I know you’re post is old but that clip, how comfortable would combat gear like that really be 🧐 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/140 "2022-01-13T15:25:02Z")
Maybe it is meant to mentally disarm the opponent. ---
**Author:** ![Hazen\_Koraka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazen_koraka/32/395218_2.png) [@Hazen\_Koraka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hazen_Koraka)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2022, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/141 "2022-01-20T11:39:09Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > I know you’re post is old but that clip, how comfortable would combat gear like that really be Looks quite snug to me ---
**Author:** ![system1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system1)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixed-update-to-pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/339646/142 "2022-04-20T11:39:40Z")
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