# Fixing some toxic exploits **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [November 3, 2017, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184 "2017-11-03T03:07:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/1 "2017-11-03T03:07:12Z")
> **[Corp mail abuse and spam :facepalm:](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/corp-mail-abuse-and-spam-facepalm/33700)** > > Recently in Pandamic Horde a small group of people have implented some kind of population control in horde space, depending on the current active numbers online, if they go higher than average they come into action resulting people logging out out of... Recently I had posted a topic on general discussion about some toxicity spread by some people in our corporation (pandemic horde) To seal these **exploits** _used by a small group of people (maybe max 10) harassing over 13.000 members effectively by explicitly targeting our company in some kind of op_ I have some suggestions to do that. 1. Corporation mails send requires authorization from directors or any other kind of status in the corp before they are actually send to everyone. 2. Attacking your own corp members are limited to omega accounts, alpha accounts can lock, but cannot aggress other than reps etc. 3. With suggestion 2 also requires; _Alpha accounts need to be docked inside a NPC station to leave a corp or a station designated when a player owned station._ Or maybe even non corporation owned space. Is it possible someone official is able to give a reply to this, not particular about the ideas but about the issue I have the suggestions for, if this “issue” is being addressed in some way. ---
**Author:** ![Chocolate\_Pickle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chocolate_pickle/32/12219_2.png) [@Chocolate\_Pickle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chocolate_Pickle)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 3:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/2 "2017-11-03T03:34:00Z")
1. I thought this was a configurable option _already_. 2. lolnope. There should be no way to distinguish between an Alpha and an equally SP’ed Omega. 3. I don’t understand. Explain it differently. Besides, the corp/alliance has an automated kick queue that enacts during downtime. These people would be kicked automatically if only someone higher-up _wanted to kick them_. ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 3:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/3 "2017-11-03T03:35:22Z")
> [@Chocolate\_Pickle](#): > > lolnope. There should be no way to distinguish between an Alpha and an equally SP’ed Omega. who are you ---
**Author:** ![Chocolate\_Pickle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chocolate_pickle/32/12219_2.png) [@Chocolate\_Pickle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chocolate_Pickle)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 3:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/4 "2017-11-03T03:38:21Z")
> [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](#): > > who are you I’m just parroting what CCP has said in the past. This is specifically the reason why Alpha/Omega status is NOT in the API. ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/5 "2017-11-03T14:29:29Z")
Well I appreciate you’re giving some clarification on that I do believe these kind of commandments can be revised in some situations tho. Of what I posted, these kind of stuff is costing tons and tons of subs for CCP. There is a reason these monkeys came into action, our active online numbers were growing fast, it was reaching 230 in our main standing fleet. You know why? simply because we had a lot of fun, and people came back the day after, shame on us. Maybe it’s coincidence but these mentally ill people always came into action when active numbers in our main standing fleet (we had 2) reached in the 190 🦕 People log off, they can’t mine, every gate or jump bridge your industrial ship can be awoxed, issues for ratters, everything what is outside a station they create some kind of trouble (they even changed the bookmark for jump bridge with an exploit to awox you) Now a lot of people only log in when there are important ops, funny is yesterday we had a moon goo op, we had around 300 people showing up to mine the first moon ore it was hilarious, free t1 barges and venture handouts, no rorqs allowed, we mined nearly 3 moons empty, than zarvox showed up in our staging system, we went with 150 mining ships splitted from the moon mining fleet to fight his fleet with mining barges and ventures, and we send them to valhalla. (zarvox) ooooooo shame on us 🐟 ---
**Author:** ![Frostys\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frostys_virpio/32/12703_2.png) [@Frostys\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frostys_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/6 "2017-11-03T14:57:52Z")
> [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](#): > > Of what I posted, these kind of stuff is costing tons and tons of subs for CCP. You have any actual data to back up that statement? ---
**Author:** ![Divad\_Mahdits](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/divad_mahdits/32/153442_2.png) [@Divad\_Mahdits](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Divad_Mahdits)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/7 "2017-11-03T15:38:02Z")
Leave PL and you won’t be seeing toxic stuff anymore ---
**Author:** ![mkint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkint/32/14424_2.png) [@mkint](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mkint)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/8 "2017-11-03T15:44:20Z")
Exploit has a very specific meaning. If there is an actual exploit, submit a support ticket. If there is not an actual exploit, stop using that word. ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/9 "2017-11-03T16:04:34Z")
> [@Frostys\_Virpio](#): > > You have any actual data to back up that statement? > [@Divad\_Mahdits](#): > > Leave PL and you won’t be seeing toxic stuff anymore > [@mkint](#): > > Exploit has a very specific meaning. If there is an actual exploit, submit a support ticket. If there is not an actual exploit, stop using that word. 🌃 ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 5:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/10 "2017-11-04T05:11:27Z")
Seems like the ups and downs of an open door policy. The corp mail thing is a tough one. Having every corp mail require someone with roles to approve will be infuriating. And some smaller corps don’t have leadership that is active everyday. The suggestions in the thread about a noob/feeder corp are a good idea. Making/Changing bookmarks requires roles I thought. So thats something you can restrict. General AWOXing is the risk you take by not screening. Getting to know your corpies is part of the interaction in this game. You sure as ■■■■ can’t auto-safety alphas. That’s just a dick-move. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 5:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/11 "2017-11-04T05:37:14Z")
> [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](#): > > Corporation mails send requires authorization from directors or any other kind of status in the corp before they are actually send to everyone. It already does. You need to be assigned the role Communications Officer to send evemails to Corp. > [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](#): > > Attacking your own corp members are limited to omega accounts, alpha accounts can lock, but cannot aggress other than reps etc. If you are scared of being engaged by Corp mates, then don’t be in a Corp with 13,000 members that has an open door recruitment policy. It’s totally an option to go live in highsec and have the friendly fire setting set on Illegal, meaning any corp mate that attacks will be Concorded (the introduction of the friendly fire setting has virtually killed out awoxing in highsec, but null has always had it). > [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](#): > > With suggestion 2 also requires; Alpha accounts need to be docked inside a NPC station to leave a corp or a station designated when a player owned station. > > Or maybe even non corporation owned space. You can only leave or join a Corp if you are docked, or if you are in a capsule. That’s true of all characters, alpha or omega. If it is someone in a capsule in space, that is hardly a threat. If they are in a station, the undock can be bubbled and if it is an Upwell structure, anyone in tether range is invulnerable, so you aren’t at risk from Corpmates if you are tethered and they leave Corp while docked. ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/12 "2017-11-04T13:26:40Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Seems like the ups and downs of an open door policy. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > If you are scared of being engaged by Corp mates, then don’t be in a Corp with 13,000 members that has an open door recruitment policy. The problem are alpha accounts, not only can they mine in a venture for free, but they can take out billions of isk worth. The whole game is designed around people having to spend a fortune to do these kind of jokes, awox? 1.5 bill please, spy and get caught? 1,5 bill please, being anoying? 1,5 bill please, blacklisted, and now you require a another 1,5 bill to do it all again. Are you getting the point here? 🤔 (are you?) That’s **why it’s possible** , **it’s not free** , Oh wait it’s free now > [@Corp mail abuse and spam facepalm](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/corp-mail-abuse-and-spam-facepalm/33700): > > Recently in Pandamic Horde a small group of people have implented some kind of population control in horde space, depending on the current active numbers online, if they go higher than average they come into action resulting people logging out out of several reasons. It is pretty entertaining to them, so when they come into action all mining is shut down, basic transport routes are caution (blocked), and some degree of caution for ratters. Excavator mining drones getting killed Transport ship… Learn to use your 🧠🇩🇴 > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > It already does. You need to be assigned the role Communications Officer to send evemails to Corp. Good to know > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > If they are in a station, the undock can be bubbled and if it is an Upwell structure, anyone in tether range is invulnerable, so you aren’t at risk from Corpmates if you are tethered and they leave Corp while docked. The thing is to prevent alpha’s from joining and leaving corp inside player owned space. Let’s say they are not allowed to awox anymore, they can’t go like a trojan horse get in and quickly leave corp to attack former corp members anyway. I’m not saying these mechanics should be banned, what I’m saying is **not for free!** , that’s what I’m pointing out. The whole game risk/opportunities/whateveryoudo is based on a currency you can translate to real life currency,that’s what the whole game balance system is build on from it’s core. :facepalm: ccp please protect us from unnecessary mental illness and their fumes in some extend. ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/13 "2017-11-04T13:46:35Z")
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**Author:** ![mkint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkint/32/14424_2.png) [@mkint](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mkint)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/14 "2017-11-04T14:04:10Z")
Yeah, this whole thing sounds like you just suck at recruitment and/or diplomacy. I’m far too lazy to read 2 different threads crying about the same topic, so it sounds like you’re not even a director not even of a solo alt corp, that you don’t even understand the basic functionality of the tools available. And that with a complete lack of understanding of what’s already there, you’re asking for a complete revamp to suit exactly one situation. Based solely on the way you present yourself, I’d vote a strong “no” on changing the existing system in the slightest. ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/15 "2017-11-04T14:06:27Z")
Please save yourself the efforts 👍 ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/16 "2017-11-04T18:57:33Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > It already does. You need to be assigned the role Communications Officer to send evemails to Corp. It doesn’t work like that ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/17 "2017-11-05T00:38:20Z")
Not only do i have no problem with it being free, i take my hat off to those doing it. Poor security = easy pickings. This is the beauty of the sandbox. That’s how this works. You have options for tightening security and new players have other places to go outside of horde. But alphas aren’t going to get restrictions as to who they can shoot. That’d be crap. Power to the little people ✊ ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/18 "2017-11-05T02:38:44Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Not only do i have no problem with it being free, i take my hat off to those doing it. That’s why the forum folk over here deserves medals 🎖🏅🥇 💝 ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/19 "2017-11-05T02:48:44Z")
Just a nod will do. Welcome to the sandbox. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 4:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-some-toxic-exploits/36184/20 "2017-11-05T04:20:18Z")
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