# Fixing the Triglavian Babaroga **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [May 4, 2025, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136 "2025-05-04T15:19:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2025, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/21 "2025-05-30T21:01:37Z")
You somehow misunderstand the ship in a way that you try to look at it from a “solo player perspective” (I have the feeling). But thats not how ships are balanced. - POS/POCO: Of course you field Babarogas (or other Marauders) if you have a group that can _support_ them. Why? Because you will do the Job MUCH FASTER. You can’t always exchange 1 Marauder for 2 Leshaks, because, you know.. 2 Leshaks require _twice the Omega Pilots_. - You can also spawn a Drifter BS without Capitals. He isn’t as strong as the “big” one, but still has more than a million eHP, more than enough for the Babaroga to outclass any other Marauder. And yes of course people do farm C5s/C6s in Marauderfleets. Happens every day, and yes, sometimes they die. Babarogas will die too, thats not the point, while they live they are better in those high HP sites. - You don’t try to kill a bling-tanked Capital _alone_, obviously. There are FAX fits that can tank ~50k DPS, ~100k DPS while on Overheat. With Babarogas you can break them with a lot _less pilots_, thats the point. Or at least put pressure to tank on them, which will make them vulnerable to Neuts and limit their ability to hand out RR. You don’t always have the option to field 40 Leshaks. Sometimes you can bring only 20 Pilots. Babarogas will outclass Leshaks here, clearly. Especially since you can also use them without Bastion in a RR-Setup (their Resis profile allows for MUCH higher incoming RR). Let them spool up while under RR and suddenly enter Bastion with a few to break enemy ships. The opponent has 60seconds to call those in Bastion Primary AND kill them (which isn’t that easy in the middle of a battle, and they have like 350k eHP buffer), because if they make it out you’ll hold them again with RR. Those ships are - not for HS PvE - not for Solo PvP (well you can try, but you _will_ get blobbed and die at some point Those are excellent Small- to Medscale Ships and if supported correctly, they will really shine. In all other scenarios they will still be okayish to good. You can’t make them stronger without them being totally OP in those small/medscale fights. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2025, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/22 "2025-05-30T22:40:58Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Those ships are made with PvP in mind. Every new ship introduced doesn’t have to be a 1-trick pony. We already had the Leshak… ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2025, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/23 "2025-05-30T22:42:17Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > doesn’t have to be a 1-trick pony It isn’t. You _can_ use it for HS PvE. It just doesn’t have to be the top of the food chain there, if that would ruin its usage in the situations that matter so much more for the game. Which is… PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2025, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/24 "2025-05-30T22:48:06Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > It isn’t. You _can_ use it for HS PvE. It just doesn’t have to be the top of the food chain there, if that would ruin its usage in the situations that matter so much more for the game. Which is… PvP. First if all, I never said it had to be at the top of the PvE food chain. By the same token, it doesn’t need to be at the bottom, either. Second, it’s not necessarily well-suited for PvP - because outside of structure bashing there’s no way it will ever utilize that massive spool-up. There was just a lot of potential here to do something different. Maybe I’ll figure out something creative for it in PvE… ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2025, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/25 "2025-05-30T23:06:20Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Second, it’s not necessarily well-suited for PvP - because outside of structure bashing there’s no way it will ever utilize that massive spool-up. Outside of Structure Bashing or breaking massively-tanked enemy ships (talking about ones with multiple hundredthousand or even millions of eHP) there isn’t a big playground for the Leshak either. The Baraboga just follows the design of the Nergal and Ikitursa, which is a good thing. Those T2 ships all get a higher max-spool and they shine in situations where they can utilize that. And in other situations they are average at best or even slightly below average. No problem with that. Thats “balance”. And even in HS PvE, the Baraboga will _still_ be better than most Battleships, even most Faction Battleships. Just not as good as the other Marauders that don’t need to spool. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2025, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/26 "2025-05-30T23:14:10Z")
I don’t disagree. Just saying that with the Leshak already kind of providing the structure bashing role they could’ve done something a bit different with the Babaroga. Like ditching the 100% spool-up for a armored command bonus and letting it run a single command module. Then you could run the Babaroga as a command ship. ---
**Author:** ![Kerrum\_Pithy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kerrum_pithy/32/462285_2.png) [@Kerrum\_Pithy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kerrum_Pithy)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2025, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/27 "2025-05-30T23:28:35Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Those are excellent Small- to Medscale Ships and if supported correctly, they will really shine. In all other scenarios they will still be okayish to good. You can’t make them stronger without them being totally OP in those small/medscale fights. I kind of get what you mean, marauder in fleet is something I did not think so much before. So I agree with you that more bonus to offensive side is somehow too OP, but still the PG issue is kind of an oversight of ccp I think, just give it several thousand extra pg than current (or halfing the need of PG used by disintegrator on this ship) so that some conventional armor fitting can work on this ship would be great. Currently I will say if it is not buffer fitted then the defend of this marauder is weaker than average somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2025, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/28 "2025-05-30T23:53:56Z")
> [@Kerrum\_Pithy](#): > > just give it several thousand extra pg than curren why? Whats not to like about that: [Babaroga, C5 Dualrep] Centus B-Type Large Armor Repairer Centus B-Type Large Armor Repairer Centum C-Type Multispectrum Energized Membrane Centum C-Type Multispectrum Energized Membrane True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay Entropic Radiation Sink II Entropic Radiation Sink II Thukker Large Cap Battery Thukker Large Cap Battery Federation Navy Tracking Computer, Tracking Speed Script Federation Navy Tracking Computer, Optimal Range Script Bastion Module I Veles Supratidal Entropic Disintegrator, Mystic L True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II - has a better cap situation than a Pala for example - better tracking - much better range - more armor HP against the huge Alphastrikes of the higher tier Anomalies/Data/Relic sites - much more DPS against the drifter Need to spool up of course. So, people will need to measure if the spoolup damage is high enough to compensate for the lower non-spool damage… but they will for sure run these anos with a stopwatch to find out. That thing _can_ do them, for sure, and pretty convenient I’d say. But again, it doesn’t need to be the _best_ there, it would be totally okay if its a bit weaker than the others in PvE, but overtakes them in certain PvP scenarios. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2025, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/29 "2025-05-30T23:59:08Z")
Definitely Abyssal the radiation sinks… ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/30 "2025-05-31T00:01:40Z")
Don’t hesistate to pimp if you like. It’s just easier for him to import it into PyFa using a normal one. ---
**Author:** ![Kerrum\_Pithy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kerrum_pithy/32/462285_2.png) [@Kerrum\_Pithy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kerrum_Pithy)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/31 "2025-05-31T00:23:22Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Whats not to like about that: I was thinking moving this PVP fit from Kronos: [Kronos, duo rep] Corpum A-Type Multispectrum Energized Membrane Corpum A-Type Multispectrum Energized Membrane Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Imperial Navy 1600mm Steel Plates Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Thukker Large Cap Battery Shadow Serpentis Heavy Stasis Grappler True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer Dark Blood Stasis Webifier Neutron Blaster Cannon II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Bastion Module I Imperial Navy Large EMP Smartbomb Small Tractor Beam II Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II Large Nanobot Accelerator II And if you do the similar thing to Babaroga: [Babaroga, Babaroga armor fit copy] Veles Entropic Radiation Sink Veles Entropic Radiation Sink Centum A-Type Multispectrum Energized Membrane Centum A-Type Multispectrum Energized Membrane Shadow Serpentis Damage Control Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Imperial Navy 1600mm Steel Plates Domination Heavy Stasis Grappler Dark Blood Stasis Webifier Thukker Large Cap Battery True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 3200 Zorya’s Supratidal Entropic Disintegrator, Occult L Bastion Module I Small Tractor Beam II Imperial Navy Large EMP Smartbomb [Empty High slot] Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II Large Nanobot Accelerator II High-grade Asklepian Alpha High-grade Asklepian Beta High-grade Asklepian Gamma High-grade Asklepian Delta High-grade Asklepian Epsilon High-grade Asklepian Omega Ogdin’s Eye Coordination Enhancer Inherent Implants ‘Squire’ Capacitor Management EM-803 Inherent Implants ‘Lancer’ Gunnery RF-905 You will see that even with officer turret, the pg is still about 1k over the limit. I mean, yea I can remove the plate and put another radiation sink there, but I still have a high slot there empty, either way, the slot does not match the pg that much. But for pve of course I would consider shield fit instead of this, which makes the dps much better: [Babaroga, PVE] Entropic Radiation Sink II Entropic Radiation Sink II Entropic Radiation Sink II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Domination Tracking Enhancer Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pithum A-Type Multispectrum Shield Hardener Pithum A-Type Multispectrum Shield Hardener Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery Veles Supratidal Entropic Disintegrator, Occult L Bastion Module I Imperial Navy Large EMP Smartbomb Imperial Navy Large EMP Smartbomb Imperial Navy Large EMP Smartbomb Large EM Shield Reinforcer II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Mid-grade Crystal Alpha Mid-grade Crystal Beta Mid-grade Crystal Gamma Mid-grade Crystal Delta Mid-grade Crystal Epsilon Mid-grade Crystal Omega Eifyr and Co. ‘Gunslinger’ Motion Prediction MR-703 Inherent Implants ‘Squire’ Capacitor Management EM-803 Inherent Implants ‘Lancer’ Gunnery RF-903 ---
**Author:** ![Kerrum\_Pithy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kerrum_pithy/32/462285_2.png) [@Kerrum\_Pithy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kerrum_Pithy)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/32 "2025-05-31T00:27:03Z")
And I currently fit mine like this: [Babaroga, Bababoeey] Large Abyssal Armor Repairer Abyssal Entropic Radiation Sink Corpum A-Type Multispectrum Energized Membrane Abyssal Entropic Radiation Sink Reactive Armor Hardener Corpum A-Type Multispectrum Energized Membrane Shadow Serpentis Damage Control Large Abyssal Armor Repairer Heavy ‘Brave’ Capacitor Booster Large Abyssal Cap Battery Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer Shadow Serpentis Heavy Stasis Grappler Veles Supratidal Entropic Disintegrator Bastion Module I Heavy ‘Moat’ Energy Neutralizer Small Tractor Beam II Heavy ‘Moat’ Energy Neutralizer Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II Large Ancillary Current Router II Valkyrie II x10 Hornet EC-300 x10 Infiltrator II x10 Optimal Range Script x1 Tracking Speed Script x1 Tetryon Exotic Plasma L x500 Navy Cap Booster 3200 x1 Meson Exotic Plasma L x1000 Occult L x1500 Mystic L x500 With high-grade asklepian for local defense fleet, later with officer turret I can consider tweak with the high slot a little but still the pg is a big limit here. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/33 "2025-05-31T00:29:24Z")
please don’t be mad at me, but whenever I see someone putting Officer Mods and needlessly X-Type stuff and Asklepian Sets into a ship just to wonder in the end and some PG might be missing, I lose the interest to keep this discussion going. Ships shouldn’t be designed to just throw _ALL OF IT_ onto them and it still fits conveniently. Be reasonable. _No one_ needs that stuff you put on there. The one I posted is a _reasonable_ fit people would actually use to rat in C5 WHs for example. What you posted is some exaggerated fit someone _wants to have_, probably only undocks in HS and then wonders if he gets ganked right out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Kerrum\_Pithy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kerrum_pithy/32/462285_2.png) [@Kerrum\_Pithy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kerrum_Pithy)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/34 "2025-05-31T00:34:07Z")
well, of course I am not going to be mad with you about that, I put the officer turret there just because it uses a lot less pg than the faction version and t2 version. on the other hand, the x-type reps are not that expansive, after all you are fitting with a ship that itself costs about 3b after price stablized. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/35 "2025-05-31T00:37:14Z")
Sure, the X-Types are affordable for a ship that pricetag. But they don’t fit. B-Types do. And enable you to have 2 Smartbombs to quickly get rid of Frigs. So either Abyssalroll X-Types for lower PG requirements or use B-types, they will do the job just fine. And always remember: Only bling if it _significantly_ increases the performance. If you can do the content you like in a 1.5b fit, don’t use a 4b or 6b fit “just because you can”. Because in 99% of all scenarios, IF you die, you will die _no matter the fit_. And if you survive, the cheaper one would have been sufficient. ---
**Author:** ![Kerrum\_Pithy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kerrum_pithy/32/462285_2.png) [@Kerrum\_Pithy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kerrum_Pithy)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/36 "2025-05-31T00:41:26Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > IF you die, you will die _no matter the fit_. And if you survive, the cheaper one would have been sufficient. Like that sentence, feel like it makes a lot sense 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/37 "2025-05-31T00:51:25Z")
Well, I learned that in like 15 years living in Lowsec first and for the last 10 years in WH space. We often have these discussions in the corp/alliance where people argue one should put all the bling there is on the ratting marauder and use Implantsets and all that. To have tank you don’t really need to solve the content and DPS that will, after all the warping and looting considered, make you run the sites like 2% faster. And in the end if they get caught in a site, they will lose 5B for the ship and 4B for the clone. While I lose 3.5B alltogether when it happens. Because I only use enough blingfit to run, no implants and drugs only if I messed up something. It simply doesn’t change the outcome, so the cheaper fit is always preferrable for PvE. There are **PVP** situations where you want to have all the bling you can get, true that. Because the last 20k eHP buffer might make the difference if the logis can catch you or not. Or the last bit of damage or speed makes the difference if you can break or catch someone, or not. But thats a different scenario. For PvE: keep it reasonable. Strong enough that it’s still convenient and chill to fly, even allow one or the other mistake. But not expensive without need. It’s a good advice I think. ---
**Author:** ![Kerrum\_Pithy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kerrum_pithy/32/462285_2.png) [@Kerrum\_Pithy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kerrum_Pithy)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/38 "2025-05-31T01:00:41Z")
Absolutely agree with that. I am currently in null sec and the situation I use this is probably with a dozen other blinged out marauders, for more dangerous scenarios a triple XLASB t2 Vargur would be a much more reasonable solution. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 1:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/39 "2025-05-31T01:30:39Z")
I’ve never seen the point of Blinging All The Things™ on a pve ship. Losing such a ship and fit means that much more isk grinding required to replace it or to break even. Put bling where required for fitting or to adequately tank the site. Any more is just risking more for the same reward. I also keep an MJD on all my krabbing ships. Having that gtfo button has saved me many, many times. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136/40 "2025-05-31T01:38:45Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > I also keep an MJD on all my krabbing ships. Having that gtfo button has saved me many, many times. Yeah, I usually do that too. But on a Pala in C5/C6 sites against all that neut, you’d need another Medslot to get the capregeneraiton you want, or use a cabooster Fit with a cloaked DST supplying you with Capsticks every now and then… ^^ I usually have 2 Large Cap Batteries, 1 Recharger, 1 Tracking Comp in the 4 Meds and wouldn’t want to miss any of those mods. Well, could replace the recharger for an MJD, but then I would need 2 Cap Power Relays in the lows. Means either a Resist Membrane or a Damagemod would have to go. Not a hot choice, really… Damn Baraboga with 8 (!!!) Lowslots, despite the Pala being the _top of the line_ Amarr Battleship. Pala and Abaddon really should have 8 Lows, even if that would mean to nerf them somewhere else -\_-. Just for lore. ^^ [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fixing-the-triglavian-babaroga/485136.md?page=3)