# Fluffly little kittens **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 18, 2018, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962 "2018-02-18T07:21:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/63 "2018-02-18T12:28:22Z")
I agree it’s bigoted, and there’s no place for bigotry on these forums. I don’t agree it’s racist. Russian isn’t a race. And I dismiss the idea of ‘hate speech’ entirely. Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/64 "2018-02-18T12:30:11Z")
The better word is ‘bigotry’. Racism is a very distinct form of bigotry, but Russian is not a race. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/374866_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/65 "2018-02-18T13:02:38Z")
But, isn’t bigotry based on opinion, rather than perceived identity? At least I’ve always used “bigotry” as “intolerance of different opinions and ideas”, in a political sense rather than social or ethnic. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/66 "2018-02-18T13:05:20Z")
Call it prejudice then, if you need to get that specific. Either way, racism doesn’t apply, because Russian isn’t a race. [Bigotry works just fine though](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bigotry). ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/67 "2018-02-18T13:06:00Z")
> [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > But, bigotry isn’t based on opinion Bigotry is almost entirely based on opinion. > [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > At least I’ve always used “bigotry” as “intolerance of different opinions and ideas”, in a political sense rather than social or ethnic. I cannot fathom why you have done so. Bigotry applies as an umbrella term for all forms of exclusionary antipathy based on characteristics of another group. Racism is based on race. Period, It does not apply to anything else. Religious antipathy is no more “racist” between for example Christians and Muslims, than political antipathy between Dems and Republicans in the US is “racist”. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/374866_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/68 "2018-02-18T13:12:02Z")
I adressed the oirginal line, I put the verb int he wrogn place for a question. But, according to dictionaries, bigotry is against ideas and opinions, not race or nationality or ethnicity. There really isn’t a word that fills that role. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/69 "2018-02-18T13:12:48Z")
> [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > There really isn’t a word that fills that role. Please cite your definition reference for “bigotry”. As you surely understand, nations or ethnicities are not “races”, and thus cannot be ascribed to “racism”. ---
**Author:** ![Piugattuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piugattuk/32/292316_2.png) [@Piugattuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piugattuk)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/70 "2018-02-18T13:19:41Z")
That’s an extremely narrow and prejudice view, pretty sad, there are plenty of others who engage in RMT who are not Russian, frankly this game benefits from our comrades on the other side, seriously take you medicine please. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/374866_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/71 "2018-02-18T13:23:31Z")
LOL, reference? Merriam-Webster: > **[Definition of BIGOTRY](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigotry)** > > obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices : the state of mind of a bigot; acts or beliefs characteristic of a bigot; bigoted acts or beliefs… See the full definition Collins: > **[Bigotry definición y significado | Diccionario Inglés Collins](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/es/diccionario/ingles/bigotry)** > > Bigotry definición: Bigotry is the possession or expression of strong, unreasonable prejudices or opinions . | Significado, pronunciación, traducciones y ejemplos Oxford: > **[bigotry | Definition of bigotry in English by Oxford Dictionaries](https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/bigotry)** > > Definition of bigotry - intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself Cambridge: [https://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/bigotry](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/bigotry) It’s all about having strong opinions, not disliking someone’s perceived identity based on belonging to a collective. ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/72 "2018-02-18T13:24:28Z")
If I had a quarter every time the television said something to the effect of “Russia is guilty of blah blah whatever”, I would be pretty rich at this point. Btw, saying it over and over doesn’t make it any more true. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/73 "2018-02-18T13:27:55Z")
[Funny how you skipped over the one I provided earlier.](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bigotry) If it’s all the same to you, I’ll keep calling it bigotry. If you don’t like it, I provided an alternative in the same post where you ignored the link I provided: prejudice. But if you’re such a stickler for definitions, then even you cannot deny that using ‘racism’ is just wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/74 "2018-02-18T13:30:37Z")
> [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > It’s all about having strong opinions, not disliking someone’s perceived identity based on belonging to a collective. Do you think someone can be “racist” towards someones nationality/religion/culture/politics? ---
**Author:** ![Piugattuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piugattuk/32/292316_2.png) [@Piugattuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piugattuk)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/75 "2018-02-18T13:32:06Z")
> [@Sugar\_Smacks](#): > > Btw, saying it over and over doesn’t make it any more true. That makes it a form of brain washing. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/374866_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/76 "2018-02-18T13:33:22Z")
Just to clarify the point before this becomes a 400+ messages marathon between two dgos biting a bone and poor little me, I will just state that in my opinion there is not a word in English that means “discrimination towards people based on who they are perceived to be based on prejudice and tagging them as a group”. Bigotry might be used, but it does not mean that. Also racism and even xenophoby, which is a less common word in English than it is in Spanish (and anyway, in Spanish we also don’t have a word like that I defined; we go with “intolerante” which is one of the translations to “bigot” but essentially means someone who doens’t likes those who are not like him, whatever the difference). ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_SkaIski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skaiski/32/126779_2.png) [@Nana\_SkaIski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_SkaIski)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/77 "2018-02-18T13:33:59Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/f/cff537d3959a4c3987063f06397b58ee02a39e47.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/78 "2018-02-18T13:34:00Z")
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**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/79 "2018-02-18T13:36:15Z")
‘Xenophobia’ doesn’t apply either, because a phobia is strictly defined as an irrational fear. I’m not seeing an irrational fear in the OP’s post. Are you? ---
**Author:** ![Piugattuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piugattuk/32/292316_2.png) [@Piugattuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piugattuk)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/80 "2018-02-18T13:36:37Z")
Also with a name like sugar\_smacks you know that gets 2 snaps in Z formation. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/81 "2018-02-18T13:36:44Z")
> [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > Bigotry might be used Your understanding of the definitions of bigotry is confusing to me. Did you actually read them? Racism/sexism etc are based in the exclusionary views/opinions of the subject. Bigotry is the umbrella term that covers all such views/opinions, in whichever/whatever direction. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_SkaIski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skaiski/32/126779_2.png) [@Nana\_SkaIski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_SkaIski)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/fluffly-little-kittens/57962/82 "2018-02-18T13:41:06Z")
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