# For Folks who are 'Leaving' **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 27, 2021, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893 "2021-09-27T04:32:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/626 "2021-10-26T19:15:57Z")
> [@Xucca](#): > > lazy or has lack of creativity …or both. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/627 "2021-10-26T19:17:36Z")
Im totally with you. I cant really add anything, youve pretty much said it spot on. +1 ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/628 "2021-10-26T19:33:07Z")
Hopefully nobody’s taking offense with my word choice. I didn’t really appreciate y’all at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/629 "2021-10-26T19:41:36Z")
Holup! I almost forgot!!.. Yeah, Kill marks… cool, huh? But ANTI-MISSOL-LAZORS, man! Just because ANTI-MISSOL-_MISSOLS_ are just plain stupid when you can has lazors. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/630 "2021-10-26T19:56:31Z")
> [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > Hopefully nobody’s taking offense with my word choice. I didn’t really appreciate y’all at the time. Oh no worries haha. I have fond memories of ore and ice stealing. ---
**Author:** ![Nico\_Christened](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nico_christened/32/439994_2.png) [@Nico\_Christened](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nico_Christened)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/631 "2021-10-27T03:31:43Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > What I think is that the devs read the rage-quit “feedback” I doubt they’re so fragile as that, at least I hope that’s true. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/632 "2021-10-27T06:07:12Z")
> [@Xucca](#): > > Kill marks… > You have no idea how they looked in my mind as keystone for reforming PVP… > What are they for? --effing cosmetics?-- WTF! > > I has a gallery with a couple of hulls just showing their “decommission goal” of 50 KMs… > Why were they not used more in game? why they have no significance, no benefit, no followup, nada! > There is no prize for having more KMs, no gain in agility, no reduction in sig rad, nothing! > Why? Kill marks are purely cosmetic, because it is _way too easy_ to add killmarks if they had any real value. If I could improve the stats of my often-flown ships by killing an alt in a bunch of cheap frigates, I would. And with me everyone else. Killmarks are cosmetic only and that’s exactly how it should be. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/633 "2021-10-27T07:11:51Z")
Do you also feel they should be almost invisible and not very interestingly designed? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/634 "2021-10-27T07:19:44Z")
They’re a bit hard to find indeed and it’s hard to spot them unless you’re intentionally looking for the kill marks. They could be a bit bigger in my opinion. The design itself is good. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/635 "2021-10-27T07:23:44Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > The design itself is good. Its just a tiny chevron. Do you feel thats better than the sillouette of a ship, maybe one that denotes the size class? Or perhaps coloured to denote race, or different sizes of 5, 10 or 100 kills? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/636 "2021-10-27T07:27:42Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Its just a tiny chevron. Do you feel thats better than the sillouette of a ship, maybe one that denotes the size class? Or perhaps coloured to denote race, or different sizes of 5, 10 or 100 kills? I do believe they already have different kill mark forms for the different factions, and they certainly have different signs for 10, as you can see on my prized hound: ![afbeelding](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/c/f/3cf06c605a4562a2103f3bee3f3916d2c5a33346.jpeg) Some more stuff about killmarks: > **[Killmark Compendium](https://docs.google.com/document/d/10QL7opbIx7acHAq2N-N_YP9YcOhpNdOtA0dpQMkokzg/edit?pref=2&pli=1#)** > > Killmark Compendium 123-kill Wreathe: Fear the Hauler? Substantia Nigra Substantia.Nigra.EVE1@gmail.com Contents Introduction General information about killmarks Killmark styles and locations Featured killmarks Ship-by-ship killmark information... ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/637 "2021-10-27T07:41:11Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/f/7/5f781cc4ebd0e9312f2ee26fdf7c3baf0266f853.jpeg "EVE Online: Ship Kill Marks (WiP)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5y81Whnu1w) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/638 "2021-10-27T07:41:16Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > you can see on my prized hound: The problem is, I really cant. But fair enough, I withdraw my objection. I dont PvP and only have one ship that has a single KM on it so Ive never seen more than one. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/639 "2021-10-27T07:43:22Z")
![afbeelding](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/8/9/b897a44f7ee28600da4538f95a35449887f61a99.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/640 "2021-10-27T07:43:54Z")
Yeah I thought those were lights, sorry ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/641 "2021-10-27T07:44:30Z")
No problem, it’s easy to miss them! (It took me way too long to find the killmarks on this ship even when I knew it should have some 😛 ) ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/642 "2021-10-27T07:44:46Z")
I’m basically in the same boat. I can’t tell what’s a killmark and what is a random dot of light. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/643 "2021-10-27T07:45:04Z")
How about “truck nuts” that grow bigger with every kill you get? ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/644 "2021-10-27T08:32:22Z")
I only brought the Kill Marks as an example. If they are, or could be exploitable, that’s a problem to be solved both through it’s code and the width of our scope when recognizing --or denying-- that it has a potential for being a “fun” factor, able to improve PVP experience. I’ve seen examples of such exploits and beautiful close-ups of “legendary” achievements, something I’d love EVEN MORE to target and shoot at if it only blinked on my screen. I bet there are a myriad ways to protect it’s viability and avoid it’s exploit if there was a remote intention to even begin imagining it as prizable, but such things require creativity, knowledge and a reasonable driver to see it as a possibility or as an-other “impossibility” under the void argument that at present, as it currently is, could mean trouble. Sadly, such void arguments, lack of imagination and optimism are fundamental as obstacles for innovation. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893/645 "2021-10-27T08:36:19Z")
> [@Xucca](#): > > I’ve seen examples of such exploits and beautiful close-ups of “legendary” achievements, something I’d love EVEN MORE to target and shoot at if it only blinked on my screen. > I bet there are a myriad ways to protect it’s viability and avoid it’s exploit if there was a remote intention to even begin imagining it as prizable, but such things require creativity, knowledge and a reasonable driver to see it as a possibility or as an-other “impossibility” under the void argument that at present, as it currently is, could mean trouble. > > Sadly, such void arguments, lack of imagination and optimism are fundamental as obstacles for innovation. You can create your own achievements in EVE if you have enough imagination. If you wish ‘achievements’ to mean that your character fulfills a predetermined set of numbers that can easily be manipulated such as in other games, then maybe play one of those other games. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893.md?page=27) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/for-folks-who-are-leaving/329893.md?page=29)